The entire pacing of these scenes is very fast and hurried, it very much seems that these scenes are only used to add some space between Juliet getting and taking the vial.
I noticed this too. It breaks from Shakespeare’s normally descriptive writing. I was thinking that he did this because the audience already knows what will happen, so there isn’t much of a reason to include a lot about the preparation for the wedding.
I agree! I think that Shakespeare did this to convey the chaos that all of the characters were feeling at the time. Even the amount (and length) of words spoken by the characters was toned back a lot, and this probably was to show that there was a sense of anticipation and busyness, and that everyone had things to do and places to be.
I noticed this as well! I think these scenes were mostly just fillers so that the audience can have a little break from the almost continuous action of the play, and to build anticipation to see how everything plays out. The audience knows from the prologue that Romeo and Juliet is a tragedy, with the two main characters dying, and are probably curious as to what exactly happened. They want to know what part of this plan falls apart, but Shakespeare has these scenes in to build both anticipation and context.
I agree. I think Shakespeare did this because at the beginning of the book he already told the audience what was going to happen, so these scenes are just filler to what’s going to happen next. And there are more characters that are not really relevant.
Lord Capulet’s over preparation for the wedding and his commitment to the event is dramatic irony, because the readers all know that there is no need to prepare a wedding. The readers know that Juliet will not marry Paris, and is willing to go through extreme measures to make sure that the wedding doesn’t happen.
I also noticed dramatic irony in these scenes. When Juliet sends Lady Capulet and the nurse out of the room in scene three, it appears to them that she just wants to be alone to prepare for her wedding the next day. However, in reality, the reader knows that she is actually preparing to follow Friar Lawrence's plan and fake her own death in order to escape the wedding and be with Romeo
I noticed this as well, and I think the dramatic irony is very interesting to use, as this almost seemed as a filler scene because of the fact that we know that Juliet isn’t going to marry Paris, but it’s very interesting how Shakespeare is still able to develop the plot while including this.
I feel like Juliet talked for a long time about how she was so afraid to take the vile and then all of a sudden when she saw a vision of Tybalt seeking revenge on Romeo, she immediately took the vile in Romeo’ honor, almost. I feel like this could be viewed as Juliet’s strong and continuously withlasting love for Romeo, proving even further that she’s willing to do anything to be able to live out the rest of her life with her husband whom she loves, no matter how scared she might be.
I completely agree. This also made me think that this could be her declaration of her love being more valuable than her family. She is proving herself to Romeo, and choosing to let others down for him. Even as she thinks of Tybalt’s corpse, it doesn’t stop her from drinking from the vial.
From VI.iii.21-60 Juliet considering whether the friar has any malice makes her seem much more mature than she was and it seems that she’s changed a lot being much less impulsive while the still kits don’t really stop to think anymore in their excitement which also seems like a role reversal between the friar and Capulet that Shakespeares often users to express the fluidity off human nature and the effect of emotions on people’s ability to act rationally.
I totally agree Juliet has matured so much throughout this play and it’s very prominent in these scenes. She stops to think about her actions and she takes into account all the possible outcomes. I think she has finally become independent in making her own decisions. By taking the potion she is deciding what will happen to her for the first time in her life. By accepting the fact that the potion may be poison and leaving the dagger by her bed she is taking control of the one thing she can. Her own death.
I agree with this, and also think that the lengths that Juliet goes to marry Romeo are crazy. It shows the power of love, and how it can take over a person and can even get to the point where it’s scary. Love has a happy and dangerous effect.
Dramatic irony is used by Shakespeare when they are preparing for the wedding saying, "Send for the County. Got tell him of this" (4.ii.24). It shows that Capulet is very enthusiastic about Juliet being married to Paris. However, the reader knows that they really are not getting married and that Juliet is going to drink the liquor that will make her seem dead.
Lord Capulet has really changed from how he first seemed! In IV.ii.14, he says, "A peevish self-willed harlotry it is." By this, he means that Juliet is obstinate and good-for-nothing. Funny enough, Lord Capulet seems to suddenly regard Paris as the only good choice for Juliet's future, when he said before that he would not force Juliet to do anything. To him, Paris is apparently Juliet's way to redemption, back onto the right path. Lord Capulet states, "My heart is wondrous light / Since this same wayward girl is so reclaimed." As of these last few scenes, it looks as if Lord (and Lady) Capulet only care about Juliet as much as they value her marriage to Paris, which is not how a parent should behave. Also, something that was really ironic to me was when Lord Capulet says, "Now, afore God, this reverend holy friar, / All our whole city is much bound to him." Ironically, right now, knowing nothing about the plan, Lord Capulet thinks of the friar positively. What he doesn't know is just what the friar is involved in, and how the "whole city is much bound to him."
I also find this abrupt change of heart interesting, and I wonder what the cause of it is? Why would Lord Capulet believe that Juliet should be the one to decide who she marries, and then soon after force her to marry Paris? Another quick change of opinion is when Juliet comes back from the friar and tells her father that she wants to marry Paris, but before she left she was saying that she didn't want to marry Paris. The audience knows the reason for this change of heart(this is another instance of dramatic irony), but Lord Capulet doesn't, and he doesn't question it at all. I wonder why sudden changes of opinion are so common in this play?
“Ay those attires are best. But, gentle nurse, I pray thee leave me to myself tonight”(iv sc iii 1-2). Juliet has managed to execute the first part of Friar Lawrence’s plan by getting the nurse to leave her alone for the night. I’m just waiting for something to go wrong with the next few steps because there’s seems like there’s so much room for error.
In these scenes, Capulet continuously rushes along the wedding preparations, repeatedly saying to “make haste,” and even pushing the date forward a whole day. This is an issue for the Friar’s plan, as he is unaware of this change and will now likely not have enough time to inform Romeo and for Romeo to arrive before Juliet is buried, if the plan even gets that far. This may cause Juliet’s fears in IV.iii.25-60 come true.
I noticed this as well. Does the Friar know the wedding day has been moved early? When reading it, I don’t think he is aware of this change and I’m suprised Juliet didn’t send the Nurse to inform him. This seems to completely mess up the plan and I don’t think it’ll work out.
She wouldn't have sent the nurse to inform him because if you remember from before the nurse agreed with Lord and Lady Capulet about Juliet being better with Paris. This led to Friar Lawrence basically telling Juliet to not tell the nurse about the plan. This would mean that now Juliet has no messenger to Friar Lawrence, meaning that unless he communicates with Romeo quickly Romeo could see Juliet before seeing Friar Lawrence, which is likely what leads to the famous events of one of them (I think Romeo) thinking the other is dead, committing suicide, and then the other committing suicide upon awaking and finding the other one had done so already.
“Come vial. What if this mixture do not work at all? Shall I be married then tomorrow morning?” This is indicating to me that Juliet might have some regrets, or she is reconsidering her decision. I feel like Friar Lawrence did influence Juliet into making a smarter decision although I feel like it confused her in many ways too.
I noticed this too! It seems insane that Juliet would even be willing to consider taking the potion without greater evidence that it will be harmless. However, we have to remember that, without Romeo, Juliet views life in a very sad way. She doesn't see the point of living without Romeo, so I suppose she's not overwhelmingly afraid of dying.
I totally agree with this, and I was wondering what has moved Juliet to become so passionately in love with Romeom that she would be willing to risk her life for him. I wonder if their separation from Romeo's exile has made her desperate and their separation has made their love stronger. I also noticed how Juliet says"he hath been tried a holy man" as a reason to try this potion. This struck me because it seems to hind that Juliet is a religious person and she is willing to trust the friar because of his piousness.
I think Juliet’s love for Romeo is causing her to act irrationally, by drinking the potion she could possibly die and there must have been a better plan for her, i.e. running away. Looking ahead to the last act, I think Shakespeare is conveying the message that actions shouldn’t be guided by feelings or emotions.
I believe that this scene is important because of how it sets up Juliet and the Friar’s plan to reunite her with Romeo. The pace of the play is very fast but that is because it is only meant to last a couple of hours so every detail is important.
Even though Juliet is so desperate and has agreed to marry Paris which makes it hard to turn back, she still is hesitant to drink the vial and terrified of the consequences. She doesn’t have many choices
It’s amazing how quickly Juliet convinces her father she’s willing to marry Paris. I would think he’d be suspicious of such a sudden change. This just goes to show again how distant they are.
I agree. I too find it very interesting that she persuades her father that she is “wanting” to marry Paris. I also think that she wants to do anything to please her father. Those were the society norm during those times. The man in the family was the powerful figure and the woman had no say in making desicions by herself during that time.
I think their quick acceptance was a mixture of factors. One of them is probably because the Capulets were so hopeful that she would agree that they were willing to accept her agreement no matter what, and were ecstatic about it, as seen when Capulet says “My heart is wondrous light/Since this same wayward girl is so reclaimed.” (IV.ii lines 48-49). Also, they may just assume that, after a confessional with the friar, she’s gotten over whatever possessed her to refuse Paris’s proposal in the first place. I think that they’re just so relieved that she’s finally accepted that they aren’t going question it too thoroughly. I do, however, agree that this really highlights the distance between them and their daughter, and how little they really know about her. She’s never herself around them, and they never make particular efforts to spend time with her. I suppose that’s just how wealthy families of the time functioned.
I Think Juliet may due it but maybe not for reasons of love but impulsivity ain’t think Juliet won’t think about the consequences but more on how desperately she needs Romeo ! Emotion over reason
In Act IV Scene III, Juliet wants to call on her nurse and mother to comfort her, but then realizes that she “must act alone” (20). This is a change from earlier in the play, and it shows that she is turning away from the figures that once dominated her life, and is gaining independence.
Are the Capulets stressed over the wedding? And if so are they stressed because they are suspicious of Juliet’s sudden change of heart or for preparing for the wedding.
Act iv scene ii line 25, is an example of dramatic irony because Capilet believes Juliet and Paris will get married tomorrow morning but in reality Juliet has her whole plan with the friar and will be “dead” by tomorrow morning.
Capulet rushes Lady Capulet to help Juliet pick out her outfit and such for tomorrow. They have time to choose tomorrow but Capulet wants Juliet to have no reason to stall the wedding. Everything seems to go quickly and almost panicky because if there’s a reason for Juliet not to marry Paris Thursday, Capulet feels like she’ll take it.
I agree and was going to mention that as well. Earlier in the play, the Capulet family seemed to be the ones that were calmer and more logical (if you could call anyone that). Because marriage to a prestigious man is on the line, everyone seems to be in a panicked rush for a reason of their own, and acting very impulsively, almost as if they know something is going to happen. It excentuates the fast paced story line and the impulsive nature of the tragedy.
The dramatic irony in these scenes (Juliet and the Friar's plan vs. the Capulets' thinking Juliet is cool with marrying Paris) emphasizes the impulsivity in all of the characters, the impulsivity that is the cause of all of the tragic developments in this play. The Capulets are impulsive and move the wedding up, which isn't only bad for reasons they don't know (the secret plan might go wrong in that there might not be enough time to get to Romeo), but also because they don't have enough resources to pull the wedding off this quickly. Juliet's plan with the Friar is also impulsive when they could've just snuck her out to Mantua without this elaborate plan (as we've mentioned, Juliet threatening suicide (impulsive!) is the reason for this plan). These scenes could be seen as filler but I think they're here to build tension as viewers wait for the inevitable bad effects of the impulsivity shown in Act IV, because they've seen that other impulsivity always caused tragedy (Tybalt's anger and Mercutio's impulsive challenge to fight lead to Mercutio's death, for example).
The way that Juliet’s family are working really hard to make the wedding and hoping it would satisfy Juliet, is really heartbreaking because these actions show how much her family loves her even though Juliet doesn’t think so. In act 4 scene 4 Capulet says “No, not a whit, what. I have watched ere now All night for lesser cause, and ne’er been sick.” You can infer from what the nurse said, than Capulet was staying up all night and risking his help to make this wedding. He also thinks that this is a good cause because in the beginning, he wanted her to forget about Tybalt, and he also thinks that Juliet really want to marry Paris and is proud of her.
The entire pacing of these scenes is very fast and hurried, it very much seems that these scenes are only used to add some space between Juliet getting and taking the vial.
ReplyDeleteI noticed this too. It breaks from Shakespeare’s normally descriptive writing. I was thinking that he did this because the audience already knows what will happen, so there isn’t much of a reason to include a lot about the preparation for the wedding.
DeleteI agree! I think that Shakespeare did this to convey the chaos that all of the characters were feeling at the time. Even the amount (and length) of words spoken by the characters was toned back a lot, and this probably was to show that there was a sense of anticipation and busyness, and that everyone had things to do and places to be.
DeleteI noticed this as well! I think these scenes were mostly just fillers so that the audience can have a little break from the almost continuous action of the play, and to build anticipation to see how everything plays out. The audience knows from the prologue that Romeo and Juliet is a tragedy, with the two main characters dying, and are probably curious as to what exactly happened. They want to know what part of this plan falls apart, but Shakespeare has these scenes in to build both anticipation and context.
DeleteI agree. I think Shakespeare did this because at the beginning of the book he already told the audience what was going to happen, so these scenes are just filler to what’s going to happen next. And there are more characters that are not really relevant.
DeleteLord Capulet’s over preparation for the wedding and his commitment to the event is dramatic irony, because the readers all know that there is no need to prepare a wedding. The readers know that Juliet will not marry Paris, and is willing to go through extreme measures to make sure that the wedding doesn’t happen.
ReplyDeleteI also noticed dramatic irony in these scenes. When Juliet sends Lady Capulet and the nurse out of the room in scene three, it appears to them that she just wants to be alone to prepare for her wedding the next day. However, in reality, the reader knows that she is actually preparing to follow Friar Lawrence's plan and fake her own death in order to escape the wedding and be with Romeo
DeleteI noticed this as well, and I think the dramatic irony is very interesting to use, as this almost seemed as a filler scene because of the fact that we know that Juliet isn’t going to marry Paris, but it’s very interesting how Shakespeare is still able to develop the plot while including this.
DeleteI feel like Juliet talked for a long time about how she was so afraid to take the vile and then all of a sudden when she saw a vision of Tybalt seeking revenge on Romeo, she immediately took the vile in Romeo’ honor, almost. I feel like this could be viewed as Juliet’s strong and continuously withlasting love for Romeo, proving even further that she’s willing to do anything to be able to live out the rest of her life with her husband whom she loves, no matter how scared she might be.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree. This also made me think that this could be her declaration of her love being more valuable than her family. She is proving herself to Romeo, and choosing to let others down for him. Even as she thinks of Tybalt’s corpse, it doesn’t stop her from drinking from the vial.
DeleteFrom VI.iii.21-60 Juliet considering whether the friar has any malice makes her seem much more mature than she was and it seems that she’s changed a lot being much less impulsive while the still kits don’t really stop to think anymore in their excitement which also seems like a role reversal between the friar and Capulet that Shakespeares often users to express the fluidity off human nature and the effect of emotions on people’s ability to act rationally.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree Juliet has matured so much throughout this play and it’s very prominent in these scenes. She stops to think about her actions and she takes into account all the possible outcomes. I think she has finally become independent in making her own decisions. By taking the potion she is deciding what will happen to her for the first time in her life. By accepting the fact that the potion may be poison and leaving the dagger by her bed she is taking control of the one thing she can. Her own death.
DeleteI agree with this, and also think that the lengths that Juliet goes to marry Romeo are crazy. It shows the power of love, and how it can take over a person and can even get to the point where it’s scary. Love has a happy and dangerous effect.
DeleteDramatic irony is used by Shakespeare when they are preparing for the wedding saying, "Send for the County. Got tell him of this" (4.ii.24). It shows that Capulet is very enthusiastic about Juliet being married to Paris. However, the reader knows that they really are not getting married and that Juliet is going to drink the liquor that will make her seem dead.
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DeleteLord Capulet has really changed from how he first seemed! In IV.ii.14, he says, "A peevish self-willed harlotry it is." By this, he means that Juliet is obstinate and good-for-nothing. Funny enough, Lord Capulet seems to suddenly regard Paris as the only good choice for Juliet's future, when he said before that he would not force Juliet to do anything. To him, Paris is apparently Juliet's way to redemption, back onto the right path. Lord Capulet states, "My heart is wondrous light / Since this same wayward girl is so reclaimed." As of these last few scenes, it looks as if Lord (and Lady) Capulet only care about Juliet as much as they value her marriage to Paris, which is not how a parent should behave. Also, something that was really ironic to me was when Lord Capulet says, "Now, afore God, this reverend holy friar, / All our whole city is much bound to him." Ironically, right now, knowing nothing about the plan, Lord Capulet thinks of the friar positively. What he doesn't know is just what the friar is involved in, and how the "whole city is much bound to him."
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I also find this abrupt change of heart interesting, and I wonder what the cause of it is? Why would Lord Capulet believe that Juliet should be the one to decide who she marries, and then soon after force her to marry Paris? Another quick change of opinion is when Juliet comes back from the friar and tells her father that she wants to marry Paris, but before she left she was saying that she didn't want to marry Paris. The audience knows the reason for this change of heart(this is another instance of dramatic irony), but Lord Capulet doesn't, and he doesn't question it at all. I wonder why sudden changes of opinion are so common in this play?
Delete“Ay those attires are best. But, gentle nurse, I pray thee leave me to myself tonight”(iv sc iii 1-2). Juliet has managed to execute the first part of Friar Lawrence’s plan by getting the nurse to leave her alone for the night. I’m just waiting for something to go wrong with the next few steps because there’s seems like there’s so much room for error.
ReplyDeleteIn these scenes, Capulet continuously rushes along the wedding preparations, repeatedly saying to “make haste,” and even pushing the date forward a whole day. This is an issue for the Friar’s plan, as he is unaware of this change and will now likely not have enough time to inform Romeo and for Romeo to arrive before Juliet is buried, if the plan even gets that far. This may cause Juliet’s fears in IV.iii.25-60 come true.
ReplyDeleteI noticed this as well. Does the Friar know the wedding day has been moved early? When reading it, I don’t think he is aware of this change and I’m suprised Juliet didn’t send the Nurse to inform him. This seems to completely mess up the plan and I don’t think it’ll work out.
DeleteShe wouldn't have sent the nurse to inform him because if you remember from before the nurse agreed with Lord and Lady Capulet about Juliet being better with Paris. This led to Friar Lawrence basically telling Juliet to not tell the nurse about the plan. This would mean that now Juliet has no messenger to Friar Lawrence, meaning that unless he communicates with Romeo quickly Romeo could see Juliet before seeing Friar Lawrence, which is likely what leads to the famous events of one of them (I think Romeo) thinking the other is dead, committing suicide, and then the other committing suicide upon awaking and finding the other one had done so already.
Delete“Come vial. What if this mixture do not work at all? Shall I be married then tomorrow morning?” This is indicating to me that Juliet might have some regrets, or she is reconsidering her decision. I feel like Friar Lawrence did influence Juliet into making a smarter decision although I feel like it confused her in many ways too.
ReplyDeleteI noticed this too! It seems insane that Juliet would even be willing to consider taking the potion without greater evidence that it will be harmless. However, we have to remember that, without Romeo, Juliet views life in a very sad way. She doesn't see the point of living without Romeo, so I suppose she's not overwhelmingly afraid of dying.
DeleteI totally agree with this, and I was wondering what has moved Juliet to become so passionately in love with Romeom that she would be willing to risk her life for him. I wonder if their separation from Romeo's exile has made her desperate and their separation has made their love stronger. I also noticed how Juliet says"he hath been tried a holy man" as a reason to try this potion. This struck me because it seems to hind that Juliet is a religious person and she is willing to trust the friar because of his piousness.
DeleteI think Juliet’s love for Romeo is causing her to act irrationally, by drinking the potion she could possibly die and there must have been a better plan for her, i.e. running away. Looking ahead to the last act, I think Shakespeare is conveying the message that actions shouldn’t be guided by feelings or emotions.
ReplyDeleteThe pace in these scenes goes by very fast, maybe there are just filler scenes so that the audience could have a little break.
ReplyDeleteI believe that this scene is important because of how it sets up Juliet and the Friar’s plan to reunite her with Romeo. The pace of the play is very fast but that is because it is only meant to last a couple of hours so every detail is important.
DeleteI feel bad for the Nurse in these scenes, as she has been a friend to Juliet for as long as we’ve known her, but will believe Juliet to be dead.
ReplyDeleteEven though Juliet is so desperate and has agreed to marry Paris which makes it hard to turn back, she still is hesitant to drink the vial and terrified of the consequences. She doesn’t have many choices
ReplyDeleteyes this is true but i find it interesting that she is talking as if she has already had the drug. is she just so scared.
DeleteIt’s amazing how quickly Juliet convinces her father she’s willing to marry Paris. I would think he’d be suspicious of such a sudden change. This just goes to show again how distant they are.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I too find it very interesting that she persuades her father that she is “wanting” to marry Paris. I also think that she wants to do anything to please her father. Those were the society norm during those times. The man in the family was the powerful figure and the woman had no say in making desicions by herself during that time.
DeleteI think their quick acceptance was a mixture of factors. One of them is probably because the Capulets were so hopeful that she would agree that they were willing to accept her agreement no matter what, and were ecstatic about it, as seen when Capulet says “My heart is wondrous light/Since this same wayward girl is so reclaimed.” (IV.ii lines 48-49). Also, they may just assume that, after a confessional with the friar, she’s gotten over whatever possessed her to refuse Paris’s proposal in the first place. I think that they’re just so relieved that she’s finally accepted that they aren’t going question it too thoroughly. I do, however, agree that this really highlights the distance between them and their daughter, and how little they really know about her. She’s never herself around them, and they never make particular efforts to spend time with her. I suppose that’s just how wealthy families of the time functioned.
DeleteI wonder if Juliet’s love for Romeo is strong enough for her to drink the potion even though she is very scared of the consequences.
ReplyDeleteI Think Juliet may due it but maybe not for reasons of love but impulsivity ain’t think Juliet won’t think about the consequences but more on how desperately she needs Romeo ! Emotion over reason
DeleteIn Act IV Scene III, Juliet wants to call on her nurse and mother to comfort her, but then realizes that she “must act alone” (20). This is a change from earlier in the play, and it shows that she is turning away from the figures that once dominated her life, and is gaining independence.
ReplyDeleteAre the Capulets stressed over the wedding? And if so are they stressed because they are suspicious of Juliet’s sudden change of heart or for preparing for the wedding.
ReplyDeleteAct iv scene ii line 25, is an example of dramatic irony because Capilet believes Juliet and Paris will get married tomorrow morning but in reality Juliet has her whole plan with the friar and will be “dead” by tomorrow morning.
ReplyDeleteCapulet rushes Lady Capulet to help Juliet pick out her outfit and such for tomorrow. They have time to choose tomorrow but Capulet wants Juliet to have no reason to stall the wedding. Everything seems to go quickly and almost panicky because if there’s a reason for Juliet not to marry Paris Thursday, Capulet feels like she’ll take it.
ReplyDeleteI agree and was going to mention that as well. Earlier in the play, the Capulet family seemed to be the ones that were calmer and more logical (if you could call anyone that). Because marriage to a prestigious man is on the line, everyone seems to be in a panicked rush for a reason of their own, and acting very impulsively, almost as if they know something is going to happen. It excentuates the fast paced story line and the impulsive nature of the tragedy.
DeleteThe dramatic irony in these scenes (Juliet and the Friar's plan vs. the Capulets' thinking Juliet is cool with marrying Paris) emphasizes the impulsivity in all of the characters, the impulsivity that is the cause of all of the tragic developments in this play. The Capulets are impulsive and move the wedding up, which isn't only bad for reasons they don't know (the secret plan might go wrong in that there might not be enough time to get to Romeo), but also because they don't have enough resources to pull the wedding off this quickly. Juliet's plan with the Friar is also impulsive when they could've just snuck her out to Mantua without this elaborate plan (as we've mentioned, Juliet threatening suicide (impulsive!) is the reason for this plan). These scenes could be seen as filler but I think they're here to build tension as viewers wait for the inevitable bad effects of the impulsivity shown in Act IV, because they've seen that other impulsivity always caused tragedy (Tybalt's anger and Mercutio's impulsive challenge to fight lead to Mercutio's death, for example).
ReplyDeleteThe way that Juliet’s family are working really hard to make the wedding and hoping it would satisfy Juliet, is really heartbreaking because these actions show how much her family loves her even though Juliet doesn’t think so. In act 4 scene 4 Capulet says “No, not a whit, what. I have watched ere now All night for lesser cause, and ne’er been sick.” You can infer from what the nurse said, than Capulet was staying up all night and risking his help to make this wedding. He also thinks that this is a good cause because in the beginning, he wanted her to forget about Tybalt, and he also thinks that Juliet really want to marry Paris and is proud of her.
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