An Observation of something I found interesting was in act 3 scene 2 lines 74-86. After Juliet finds out that Romeo Killed Tybalt her ideas of Romeo shift and she describes how she feels about Romeo during that moment. During her explanation of how she now feels about Romeo she describes how she feels as though he’s very beautiful and he potrayed himself as such a honest good hearted man but on the inside he’s wicked. So what I found interesting is that Shakespeare uses the device of a antithesis to display this contrast in feelings of Romeo. Also, such a device is perfect to describe how Juliet feels because I’m that moment she is conflicted. Once she saw Romeo one way and now she’s seen another side that conflicts what she’s always believed and s antithiesis is the best device to potra y that struggle. Also, Romeo mentions how this event is gonna kill the innocence of there relationship. The death of Tybalt has caused a clear conflict ion in there relationship but it work stop it,
I also observed Juliet's conflicting views. From lines 81-85 in scene 2, I noticed oxymoron as a literary device that Shakespeare used. Because Romeo murdered Tybalt, Juliet is debating whether or not Romeo is actually a good person. By using oxymoron, Shakespeare is emphasizing Juliet's confusion about Romeo's character.
I also think that it is interesting to see her conflicted views, for me, especially the word choice where she uses phrases such as, "honorable villain" and "damned saint". This stark contrast in her word choice shows Juliet's confusion and stress under the situation.
I agree and think that this scene is interesting to see the characters reacations to Romeo killing Tybalt. Juliet is upset and confused because she loves Romeo and she doesn’t want to think of him as someone that kills people. But Juliet does try to reason with this and says that if Romeo has not killed Tybalt, Tybalt would have killed Romeo.
I find that this scene really show where the nurse's loyalties lie. She fully supports Juliet and what she does. She brings the ring to Romeo at Juliets bidding.
I agree! I still find this especially interesting because of how out of touch Lord and Lady Capulet are, and (at least right now) how irrelevant Romeo's parents seem. However, in III.ii.67 I was confused how loyal the Nurse also seemed to Tybalt and why she seemed so struck in general, since we hadn't seen their connection before.
I also agree. Even though she talks about tybalt being her best friend and an honest gentleman, she still supports Juliet in her still loving Romeo. It also shows her devotion to him-she still loves him even though he killed her cousin
I am confused on Juliet’s location from scene 2 5-35 because I interpreted her to be outside when she talks about the night hiding her blushing but then the nurse enters so they are most likely in their house so I’m confused.
Thanks for bringing up these lines! Juliet's soliloquy at the start of III.ii takes place in her room. She's impatiently awaiting nightfall because it will (at least according to plan) bring Romeo to her room. There's dramatic irony here, for Juliet doesn't yet know that Romeo has killed Tybalt and been exiled from Verona.
Both Romeo and Juliet use hyperbole when reacting to the news of Romeo's banishment, and they both equate it with death, which emphasizes their connection to each other (and might foreshadow their connected deaths at the end of the play). Juliet says that she will die before getting over Romeo (III.ii. 150 "And death, not Romeo, take my maidenhead!") and Romeo says he'd rather be punished with death than be exiled away from Juliet (III.iii. 13 "Ha, banishment? Be merciful, say 'death,'") and even tries to kill himself. This emphasizes the strength and haste of young love, while also showing how that can equal danger (as it later will). Both Juliet and Romeo need to be talked down by older people: the Nurse (III.ii. 151-152 "Hie to your chamber. I'll find Romeo / To comfort you.") and Friar Lawrence (III.iii. 118-164 "Hold thy desperate hand! [huge monologue about how Romeo should calm down and not kill himself]"). This suggests that the only thing stopping the danger of young love from being realized is adults and their wisdom, which foreshadows that in the absence of adults and their controlling of the strong feelings of the couple, Romeo and Juliet will die as a result of their love.
I think it’s interesting how we are shown both sides of the Tybalt story. From Juliet and the Capulets perspective, Romeo committed a grave crime by killing Tybalt, but from Romeo and the Montague’s perspective, he was just avenging a friend.
I agree with you. There are definitely two sides of the story which are both equally very important. I think that because Tybalt was Juliet’s cousin, her and the Capulets are more affected. Romeo and Montague are less affected because they weren’t related by blood to him. They only knew him as a friend.
I think that we, as the reader or audience, were not given a window into Romeo’s emotions. I believe that Mercutio was like a brother to him, and it confuses me as to why he did not react more strongly. At the time, Romeo was supposed to act very brave and masculine, which may be why Shakespeare chose not to have him be more upset. A loss of a friend can be just as devastating as the loss of family.
Juliet seems to have adopted her mother’s conceit of describing lovers as books- III.ii.89-91, “Was ever book containing such vile matter so fairly bound? O, that deceit should dwell in such a gorgeous palace!” Here, she is expressing her feelings of betrayal, her shock as she feels she has judged a book by its cover/beautiful binding (in this case Romeo’s physical appearance) and does not actually know the many other pages a book has.
I think it also links back to how Juliet’s mother almost warned her against basing someone off their physical appearance, and that she should make sure to have careful thought before marrying someone. Juliet was too rushed with her passionate, yet also very short, love for Romeo, which in turn made her ignore Romeo as an actual person. This makes me wonder, does she still love him? Will her love for him be affected at all? And if so, how?
“Tybalt’s death Was woe enough, if it had ended there. Or, if sour woe delights in fellowship And needly will be ranked with other griefs, Why followed not, when she said “Tybalt’s dead,” “Thy father” or “thy mother,” nay, or both, Which modern lamentations might have moved?” (lll.ii. 125-131). Here I think Juliet’s comparing the banishment of Romeo to the deaths of Tybalt, her mother and her father. She seems to care more about Romeo than her own family. This really solidifies the fact that she would give up being a Capulet to be with Romeo. Although she mentions her mother and father, I wonder how she would compare the nurse given that the nurse is practically her mother figure. Would it be better if Romeo just died instead of banished given how distraught she’ll be her entire life?
I think it’s really interesting how, when Juliet learns of Romeo’s banishment, uses a literary device that was once used by Romeo in act one: oxymorons. She says “Beautiful tyrant, fiend angelical!/ Dove feather raven, wolfish-ravening lamb!/ Despisèd substance of divinest show!...A damnèd saint, and honorable villain.” III.ii lines 81-85. This is very similar of Romeo’s usage of the oxymoron after being rejected by Rosalind and facing a future without her. I think this could be showing just how desperately these two love, how violently and nonsensically, just like these oxymorons, and that there are a lot of parallels between them.
I noticed this as well! When Romeo first met Juliet, we pointed out how his feelings for Rosaline and Juliet were clearly different, as seen through word choice and other literary devices. On the other hand, we're now seeing increasing similarities between the relationships: the oxymorons used by Juliet, and Romeo's depressed state when he knows that he's banished. This may also be foreshadowing, as we know that neither relationship worked out in the end.
I found it ironic that Romeo killing Juliet's cousin brought them closer together. Juliet deciding to side with Romeo over her cousin also symbolized Juliet prioritizing her love with Juliet over her family's rivalry with the Montague's.
“O, break, my hear, poor bankrupt, break at once! To prison, eyes, ne'er look on liberty Vile earth, to earth resign. End motion here, And thou and Romeo press one heavy bier”
As the nurse tells Juliet that Tybalt is dead, there is a lot of confusion surrounding it. Juliet initially believes that Romeo is dead, and her immediate response is to end her own life. Not only does this show that their love is binding, in a sense, it also foreshadows the ending of the story. In both cases, Juliet is ready to take her own life rather than live on without Romeo.
I also thought that Juliets readiness to take her own life was so interesting. I think Romeo has a lot to do with it however I think her life position was also to blame. The way she is treated by her family and her emotions are ignored by the people close to her she is being isolated. She may feel lonely and like there is no point with Romeo gone because he was the only person who ever acknowledged how she felt or what she wanted.
Thy noble shape is but a form of wax, Digressing from the valor of a man; (III.iii. 126-127) I think this connects to how Paris was previously described as a man of wax, a perfect man. However, here Romeo is described as a misshapen wax figure, I believe this might be comparing the two to show how his own pursuit of revenge has effected Romeo both physically and mentally .
I interpreted this in a different way. I think that the Friar is talking about Paris and how he’s like a wax statue in the manner that he is just facade and that beneath the money and other things he’s really shallow while if Romeo was a misshapen wax figure, it’s more interesting because it’s not normal and there’s more character in the weird one also because there’s a bigger story behind its shape.
Juliet describes Romeo as "Whiter than new snow upon a raven's back" (III.ii.20) which is like how Romeo first described Juliet, "So shows a snowy dove trooping with crows / As yonder lady o'er her fellow shows" (I.v.55-56). They think really similarly which might be a reason why they were so attracted to each other when they first met.
I agree! It just adds to the many similarities between them, even though there families are supposed to be against each other. I would also say these similar descriptions show their “love at first sight”, as without even knowing each other well they are able to act with so much similarity.
I saw this and thought of the exact same thing! It shows how they really are similar and might not know it. It seems as if Shakespeare put it there to see if the reader would be paying attention. Another line that I found to be similar was, "Take him and cut him out in little stars, and he will make the face of heaven so fine That all the world will be in love with night And pay no worship to the garish sun"(3.ii.23-27). It shows Juliet using astronomy and the stars to describe Romeo just as Romeo did to her in the balcony scene.
Why does Juliet refer to Phaeton? Is it to “bring in the cloudy night”, or to bring Romeo to her? I think it’s interesting that Juliet repeatedly compares Romeo to the night and connects him to the stars instead of the “garish sun” on III.ii. 5 and III.ii.10-33. Does she see Paris as the “garish sun”? It’s just funny how Romeo compares Juliet to the sun, when he referred to Rosaline as the “envious moon” in II.ii.4. It feels like Romeo associates Juliet with day and light, and Juliet associates Romeo with night and stars. Also, Juliet truly loves Romeo more than she has loyalty for her family!
It is interesting to see Juliet’s reaction to Romeo killing her cousin, Tybalt. I think it shows how Juliet truly loves Romeo because after he kills one of her family members she still wants to see and talk to Romeo.
Yes! I feel like This is Juliet’s first experience of learning about Romeos actual character and who he is as a person. They fell in love at first sight and really just the way they look, they didn’t fall in love with each other’s personalities. Though she is discombobulated and struck with the news she still loves him.
I agree. I wasn’t expecting Juliet to be so understanding and willing to have a conversation with Romeo. I feel like this shows Juliet maturing because she’s not just jumping to conclusions, but she is going to communicate with Romeo because she truly loves and cares about him.
When Romeo draws his dagger on Friar Lawrence (III.iii.117-168), we can see how Friar Lawrence explains how Romeo was in a sad state before he met Juliet, and what benefits this relationship has given him as far as his self-confidence goes. I agree with what he is saying here because it really puts Romeo into perspective of how important Juliet is to Romeo’s change of character
I agree. These scenes really showed how their characters have developed and changed. Juliet thinks for herself, caring about Romeo after hearing what had happened to Tybalt, as opposed to her parents views. Her parents want Romeo to be killed, while she thinks about his safety.
The third scene reminds me of I.i, where he feels like there is no hope left in the world. Romeo is also overly dramatic, and 3.2.79-91 specifically reminds me of I.i.176-187, where they use juxtaposed phrases to express their lack of Hope and Faith that things will improve for them, and also they both can improve their situations, which is interesting because they choose to stay with their despair. Juliet also seems much more loyal to Romeo, which suggests that she doesn't like had family as much as Romeo, and would prefer to believe that he's right.
The fact that Juliet still wants to meet with Romeo shows how much their relationship has developed, seeing as Romeo had killed Tybalt. It’s interesting that Juliet didn’t even seem very upset over Tybalt’s death.
I agree! I thought that it was interesting how Juliet at first was very mad at Romeo, but then it seemed like she was talking herself out of it. I think that this also shows that back when this was written, marriage/those relationships were valued more than familial relationships, which relates to the social expectation that people were supposed to get married very young.
I’m finding many lines that relate to the notion that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” in Act 3. One interesting character to consider is Tybalt. To the reader, Tybalt seems to act with malicious intentions (like when he wanted to kill Romeo for sneaking into the Capulet’s masquerade) but maybe he is more complicated than we think. He isn’t just a villain, we only think so because he belongs to Romeo’s rival family. Whenever a character disagrees with the protagonist they seem like the “bad guy” but in this case Tybalt could be a “courteous....honest gentleman”. (Act 3 scene 2 line 68)
I think this scene shows the nurses loyalty towards Juliet. After hearing Romeo is the one who killed Tybalt, she is still willing to find Romeo and bring her to Juliet even though she may believe that is not the best decision or doesn’t support it.
I agree with this, and as Juliet has done in the past, she is being a bit ungrateful and over dramatic when the Nurse is trying to help her. After the Nurse tells her she will find Romeo, all Juliet says in return are commands: “...Find him! Give this ring to [him]! And tell him to come here…” She doesn’t even give her a simple, decent thank you. I feel like the Nurse is very loyal to Juliet, but Juliet can be unappreciative of this loyalty at times. Also, on a side note, I feel like Juliet can be a person with very mixed feelings. In line 108, she speaks, “All this is comfort. Wherefore weep I then?” She is obviously undecided about how to feel in response to Tybalt’s death and Romeo’s banishment, as she feels conflicted as to why she is crying if she should supposedly be happy that her husband it alive. Also in the following lines, she talks about how the death of her parents or 1,000 Tybalt’s would be equal to the pain she feels from Romeo’s banishment. Her mixed emotions and indecision is understandable, but sometimes I feel like Juliet can be just a little over the top when she doesn’t need to be, like Romeo.
In III.ii lines 79-91, Juliet describes Romeo as a villainous figure hidden in a bright appearance after discovering that he had killed Tybalt. She uses many oxymorons, like “beautiful tyrant,” “dove-feathered raven,” “honorable villain,” etc. This reminds me of I.i lines 181-187, when Romeo despairingly spoke many oxymorons to describe the complexity of love. This connection shows the link between Romeo and Juliet, as they are both harmed by love.
on page 151 the nurse says "O Lord, I could have stayed here all the night To hear good counsel". This quote confused me, because for most of the story the nurse has been very protective over juliet ()like a mother. But it seems like she has realized how important romeo is to juliet, so she is willing to let them run away, because she knows that it will make them happy
I find III.ii. 42-76 quite interesting because the nurse is withholding information about who died, but what is her purpose of this? Is she simply too overcome by emotion to tell Juliet quickly or does she have some reason of talking enough to confuse Juliet into thinking Romeo is dead before telling her that Romeo killed Tybalt?
III.ii. 21-26”Come, gentle night, come, loving, black-browed night, Give me my Romeo. And when I shall die, Take him and cut him out in little stars, And he will make the face of heaven so fine That all the world will be in love with night” This kinda foreshadows that both characters will die in the future. Or maybe if one dies the other will suicide just to be with each other.
I thought that scenes ii and iii worked nicely together because it showed both Juliet and romeos points of view. I noticed how devastated and dramatic Romeo is when he says “Ha, banishment? Be merciful, say “death,” meaning that he would a rather die then banished and separated from Juliet. Something I also noticed is the relationships between Juliet and the nurse verses Romeo and Friar Lawrence, the nurse tends to make more jokes and Friar Lawrence seems wise and reasonable.
I found the part where Romeo threw himself to the ground and refused to get up and hide (III iii 73-79) funny. Romeo is known for being a dramatic character, but I feel in this chapter his usual drama is amplified and turned into something more comical.
In Act 2 lines 75-87, Juliet is uncertain about her marriage with Romeo. After finding out Romeo killed her cousin Tybalt, Juliet is in shock and definitely is upset about Romeo’s actions. Juliet even refers to Romeo as a criminal, showing that Juliet is skeptical of his morals.
In act 2 scene 5 at the end” Shame on you! What, are you crazy?” When lady capsules said that I didn’t understand who she was talking about. Capulet or Juliet.
An Observation of something I found interesting was in act 3 scene 2 lines 74-86. After Juliet finds out that Romeo Killed Tybalt her ideas of Romeo shift and she describes how she feels about Romeo during that moment. During her explanation of how she now feels about Romeo she describes how she feels as though he’s very beautiful and he potrayed himself as such a honest good hearted man but on the inside he’s wicked. So what I found interesting is that Shakespeare uses the device of a antithesis to display this contrast in feelings of Romeo. Also, such a device is perfect to describe how Juliet feels because I’m that moment she is conflicted. Once she saw Romeo one way and now she’s seen another side that conflicts what she’s always believed and s antithiesis is the best device to potra y that struggle. Also, Romeo mentions how this event is gonna kill the innocence of there relationship. The death of Tybalt has caused a clear conflict ion in there relationship but it work stop it,
ReplyDeleteI also observed Juliet's conflicting views. From lines 81-85 in scene 2, I noticed oxymoron as a literary device that Shakespeare used. Because Romeo murdered Tybalt, Juliet is debating whether or not Romeo is actually a good person. By using oxymoron, Shakespeare is emphasizing Juliet's confusion about Romeo's character.
DeleteI also think that it is interesting to see her conflicted views, for me, especially the word choice where she uses phrases such as, "honorable villain" and "damned saint". This stark contrast in her word choice shows Juliet's confusion and stress under the situation.
DeleteI agree and think that this scene is interesting to see the characters reacations to Romeo killing Tybalt. Juliet is upset and confused because she loves Romeo and she doesn’t want to think of him as someone that kills people. But Juliet does try to reason with this and says that if Romeo has not killed Tybalt, Tybalt would have killed Romeo.
DeleteI find that this scene really show where the nurse's loyalties lie. She fully supports Juliet and what she does. She brings the ring to Romeo at Juliets bidding.
ReplyDeleteI agree! I still find this especially interesting because of how out of touch Lord and Lady Capulet are, and (at least right now) how irrelevant Romeo's parents seem. However, in III.ii.67 I was confused how loyal the Nurse also seemed to Tybalt and why she seemed so struck in general, since we hadn't seen their connection before.
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DeleteI also agree. Even though she talks about tybalt being her best friend and an honest gentleman, she still supports Juliet in her still loving Romeo. It also shows her devotion to him-she still loves him even though he killed her cousin
DeleteWhat will Juliet do about Romeo being an exile? Will Friar Lawrence or Nurse affect how Romeo and Juliet's relationship will continue?
ReplyDeleteI am confused on Juliet’s location from scene 2 5-35 because I interpreted her to be outside when she talks about the night hiding her blushing but then the nurse enters so they are most likely in their house so I’m confused.
ReplyDeleteThanks for bringing up these lines! Juliet's soliloquy at the start of III.ii takes place in her room. She's impatiently awaiting nightfall because it will (at least according to plan) bring Romeo to her room. There's dramatic irony here, for Juliet doesn't yet know that Romeo has killed Tybalt and been exiled from Verona.
DeleteBoth Romeo and Juliet use hyperbole when reacting to the news of Romeo's banishment, and they both equate it with death, which emphasizes their connection to each other (and might foreshadow their connected deaths at the end of the play). Juliet says that she will die before getting over Romeo (III.ii. 150 "And death, not Romeo, take my maidenhead!") and Romeo says he'd rather be punished with death than be exiled away from Juliet (III.iii. 13 "Ha, banishment? Be merciful, say 'death,'") and even tries to kill himself. This emphasizes the strength and haste of young love, while also showing how that can equal danger (as it later will). Both Juliet and Romeo need to be talked down by older people: the Nurse (III.ii. 151-152 "Hie to your chamber. I'll find Romeo / To comfort you.") and Friar Lawrence (III.iii. 118-164 "Hold thy desperate hand! [huge monologue about how Romeo should calm down and not kill himself]"). This suggests that the only thing stopping the danger of young love from being realized is adults and their wisdom, which foreshadows that in the absence of adults and their controlling of the strong feelings of the couple, Romeo and Juliet will die as a result of their love.
ReplyDeleteI think it’s interesting how we are shown both sides of the Tybalt story. From Juliet and the Capulets perspective, Romeo committed a grave crime by killing Tybalt, but from Romeo and the Montague’s perspective, he was just avenging a friend.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. There are definitely two sides of the story which are both equally very important. I think that because Tybalt was Juliet’s cousin, her and the Capulets are more affected. Romeo and Montague are less affected because they weren’t related by blood to him. They only knew him as a friend.
DeleteI think that we, as the reader or audience, were not given a window into Romeo’s emotions. I believe that Mercutio was like a brother to him, and it confuses me as to why he did not react more strongly. At the time, Romeo was supposed to act very brave and masculine, which may be why Shakespeare chose not to have him be more upset. A loss of a friend can be just as devastating as the loss of family.
DeleteJuliet seems to have adopted her mother’s conceit of describing lovers as books- III.ii.89-91, “Was ever book containing such vile matter so fairly bound? O, that deceit should dwell in such a gorgeous palace!” Here, she is expressing her feelings of betrayal, her shock as she feels she has judged a book by its cover/beautiful binding (in this case Romeo’s physical appearance) and does not actually know the many other pages a book has.
ReplyDeleteI think it also links back to how Juliet’s mother almost warned her against basing someone off their physical appearance, and that she should make sure to have careful thought before marrying someone. Juliet was too rushed with her passionate, yet also very short, love for Romeo, which in turn made her ignore Romeo as an actual person. This makes me wonder, does she still love him? Will her love for him be affected at all? And if so, how?
Delete“Tybalt’s death
ReplyDeleteWas woe enough, if it had ended there.
Or, if sour woe delights in fellowship
And needly will be ranked with other griefs,
Why followed not, when she said “Tybalt’s dead,”
“Thy father” or “thy mother,” nay, or both,
Which modern lamentations might have moved?” (lll.ii. 125-131).
Here I think Juliet’s comparing the banishment of Romeo to the deaths of Tybalt, her mother and her father. She seems to care more about Romeo than her own family. This really solidifies the fact that she would give up being a Capulet to be with Romeo. Although she mentions her mother and father, I wonder how she would compare the nurse given that the nurse is practically her mother figure. Would it be better if Romeo just died instead of banished given how distraught she’ll be her entire life?
I think it’s really interesting how, when Juliet learns of Romeo’s banishment, uses a literary device that was once used by Romeo in act one: oxymorons. She says “Beautiful tyrant, fiend angelical!/ Dove feather raven, wolfish-ravening lamb!/ Despisèd substance of divinest show!...A damnèd saint, and honorable villain.” III.ii lines 81-85. This is very similar of Romeo’s usage of the oxymoron after being rejected by Rosalind and facing a future without her. I think this could be showing just how desperately these two love, how violently and nonsensically, just like these oxymorons, and that there are a lot of parallels between them.
ReplyDeleteI noticed this as well! When Romeo first met Juliet, we pointed out how his feelings for Rosaline and Juliet were clearly different, as seen through word choice and other literary devices. On the other hand, we're now seeing increasing similarities between the relationships: the oxymorons used by Juliet, and Romeo's depressed state when he knows that he's banished. This may also be foreshadowing, as we know that neither relationship worked out in the end.
DeleteI found it ironic that Romeo killing Juliet's cousin brought them closer together. Juliet deciding to side with Romeo over her cousin also symbolized Juliet prioritizing her love with Juliet over her family's rivalry with the Montague's.
ReplyDeleteI think this irony is an example of blood relations not mattering and someone’s actions being more important.
Delete“O, break, my hear, poor bankrupt, break at once!
ReplyDeleteTo prison, eyes, ne'er look on liberty
Vile earth, to earth resign. End motion here,
And thou and Romeo press one heavy bier”
As the nurse tells Juliet that Tybalt is dead, there is a lot of confusion surrounding it. Juliet initially believes that Romeo is dead, and her immediate response is to end her own life. Not only does this show that their love is binding, in a sense, it also foreshadows the ending of the story. In both cases, Juliet is ready to take her own life rather than live on without Romeo.
I also thought that Juliets readiness to take her own life was so interesting. I think Romeo has a lot to do with it however I think her life position was also to blame. The way she is treated by her family and her emotions are ignored by the people close to her she is being isolated. She may feel lonely and like there is no point with Romeo gone because he was the only person who ever acknowledged how she felt or what she wanted.
DeleteThy noble shape is but a form of wax,
ReplyDeleteDigressing from the valor of a man; (III.iii. 126-127)
I think this connects to how Paris was previously described as a man of wax, a perfect man. However, here Romeo is described as a misshapen wax figure, I believe this might be comparing the two to show how his own pursuit of revenge has effected Romeo both physically and mentally .
I interpreted this in a different way. I think that the Friar is talking about Paris and how he’s like a wax statue in the manner that he is just facade and that beneath the money and other things he’s really shallow while if Romeo was a misshapen wax figure, it’s more interesting because it’s not normal and there’s more character in the weird one also because there’s a bigger story behind its shape.
DeleteJuliet describes Romeo as "Whiter than new snow upon a raven's back" (III.ii.20) which is like how Romeo first described Juliet, "So shows a snowy dove trooping with crows / As yonder lady o'er her fellow shows" (I.v.55-56). They think really similarly which might be a reason why they were so attracted to each other when they first met.
ReplyDeleteI agree! It just adds to the many similarities between them, even though there families are supposed to be against each other. I would also say these similar descriptions show their “love at first sight”, as without even knowing each other well they are able to act with so much similarity.
DeleteI saw this and thought of the exact same thing! It shows how they really are similar and might not know it. It seems as if Shakespeare put it there to see if the reader would be paying attention. Another line that I found to be similar was, "Take him and cut him out in little stars, and he will make the face of heaven so fine That all the world will be in love with night And pay no worship to the garish sun"(3.ii.23-27). It shows Juliet using astronomy and the stars to describe Romeo just as Romeo did to her in the balcony scene.
DeleteWhy does Juliet refer to Phaeton? Is it to “bring in the cloudy night”, or to bring Romeo to her? I think it’s interesting that Juliet repeatedly compares Romeo to the night and connects him to the stars instead of the “garish sun” on III.ii. 5 and III.ii.10-33. Does she see Paris as the “garish sun”? It’s just funny how Romeo compares Juliet to the sun, when he referred to Rosaline as the “envious moon” in II.ii.4. It feels like Romeo associates Juliet with day and light, and Juliet associates Romeo with night and stars. Also, Juliet truly loves Romeo more than she has loyalty for her family!
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ReplyDeleteIt is interesting to see Juliet’s reaction to Romeo killing her cousin, Tybalt. I think it shows how Juliet truly loves Romeo because after he kills one of her family members she still wants to see and talk to Romeo.
ReplyDeleteYes! I feel like This is Juliet’s first experience of learning about Romeos actual character and who he is as a person. They fell in love at first sight and really just the way they look, they didn’t fall in love with each other’s personalities. Though she is discombobulated and struck with the news she still loves him.
DeleteI agree. I wasn’t expecting Juliet to be so understanding and willing to have a conversation with Romeo. I feel like this shows Juliet maturing because she’s not just jumping to conclusions, but she is going to communicate with Romeo because she truly loves and cares about him.
DeleteWhen Romeo draws his dagger on Friar Lawrence (III.iii.117-168), we can see how Friar Lawrence explains how Romeo was in a sad state before he met Juliet, and what benefits this relationship has given him as far as his self-confidence goes. I agree with what he is saying here because it really puts Romeo into perspective of how important Juliet is to Romeo’s change of character
ReplyDeleteI agree. These scenes really showed how their characters have developed and changed. Juliet thinks for herself, caring about Romeo after hearing what had happened to Tybalt, as opposed to her parents views. Her parents want Romeo to be killed, while she thinks about his safety.
DeleteThe third scene reminds me of I.i, where he feels like there is no hope left in the world. Romeo is also overly dramatic, and 3.2.79-91 specifically reminds me of I.i.176-187, where they use juxtaposed phrases to express their lack of Hope and Faith that things will improve for them, and also they both can improve their situations, which is interesting because they choose to stay with their despair. Juliet also seems much more loyal to Romeo, which suggests that she doesn't like had family as much as Romeo, and would prefer to believe that he's right.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Juliet still wants to meet with Romeo shows how much their relationship has developed, seeing as Romeo had killed Tybalt. It’s interesting that Juliet didn’t even seem very upset over Tybalt’s death.
ReplyDeleteI agree! I thought that it was interesting how Juliet at first was very mad at Romeo, but then it seemed like she was talking herself out of it. I think that this also shows that back when this was written, marriage/those relationships were valued more than familial relationships, which relates to the social expectation that people were supposed to get married very young.
DeleteI’m finding many lines that relate to the notion that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” in Act 3. One interesting character to consider is Tybalt. To the reader, Tybalt seems to act with malicious intentions (like when he wanted to kill Romeo for sneaking into the Capulet’s masquerade) but maybe he is more complicated than we think. He isn’t just a villain, we only think so because he belongs to Romeo’s rival family. Whenever a character disagrees with the protagonist they seem like the “bad guy” but in this case Tybalt could be a “courteous....honest gentleman”. (Act 3 scene 2 line 68)
ReplyDeleteI think this scene shows the nurses loyalty towards Juliet. After hearing Romeo is the one who killed Tybalt, she is still willing to find Romeo and bring her to Juliet even though she may believe that is not the best decision or doesn’t support it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this, and as Juliet has done in the past, she is being a bit ungrateful and over dramatic when the Nurse is trying to help her. After the Nurse tells her she will find Romeo, all Juliet says in return are commands: “...Find him! Give this ring to [him]! And tell him to come here…” She doesn’t even give her a simple, decent thank you. I feel like the Nurse is very loyal to Juliet, but Juliet can be unappreciative of this loyalty at times. Also, on a side note, I feel like Juliet can be a person with very mixed feelings. In line 108, she speaks, “All this is comfort. Wherefore weep I then?” She is obviously undecided about how to feel in response to Tybalt’s death and Romeo’s banishment, as she feels conflicted as to why she is crying if she should supposedly be happy that her husband it alive. Also in the following lines, she talks about how the death of her parents or 1,000 Tybalt’s would be equal to the pain she feels from Romeo’s banishment. Her mixed emotions and indecision is understandable, but sometimes I feel like Juliet can be just a little over the top when she doesn’t need to be, like Romeo.
DeleteIn III.ii lines 79-91, Juliet describes Romeo as a villainous figure hidden in a bright appearance after discovering that he had killed Tybalt. She uses many oxymorons, like “beautiful tyrant,” “dove-feathered raven,” “honorable villain,” etc. This reminds me of I.i lines 181-187, when Romeo despairingly spoke many oxymorons to describe the complexity of love. This connection shows the link between Romeo and Juliet, as they are both harmed by love.
ReplyDeleteon page 151 the nurse says "O Lord, I could have stayed here all the night To hear good counsel". This quote confused me, because for most of the story the nurse has been very protective over juliet ()like a mother. But it seems like she has realized how important romeo is to juliet, so she is willing to let them run away, because she knows that it will make them happy
ReplyDeleteI find III.ii. 42-76 quite interesting because the nurse is withholding information about who died, but what is her purpose of this? Is she simply too overcome by emotion to tell Juliet quickly or does she have some reason of talking enough to confuse Juliet into thinking Romeo is dead before telling her that Romeo killed Tybalt?
ReplyDeleteIII.ii. 21-26”Come, gentle night, come, loving, black-browed night,
ReplyDeleteGive me my Romeo. And when I shall die,
Take him and cut him out in little stars,
And he will make the face of heaven so fine
That all the world will be in love with night”
This kinda foreshadows that both characters will die in the future. Or maybe if one dies the other will suicide just to be with each other.
I thought that scenes ii and iii worked nicely together because it showed both Juliet and romeos points of view. I noticed how devastated and dramatic Romeo is when he says “Ha, banishment? Be merciful, say “death,” meaning that he would a rather die then banished and separated from Juliet. Something I also noticed is the relationships between Juliet and the nurse verses Romeo and Friar Lawrence, the nurse tends to make more jokes and Friar Lawrence seems wise and reasonable.
ReplyDeleteI found the part where Romeo threw himself to the ground and refused to get up and hide (III iii 73-79) funny. Romeo is known for being a dramatic character, but I feel in this chapter his usual drama is amplified and turned into something more comical.
ReplyDeleteThe idea of banishment being worse than death foreshadows the end of the book- in the end, Romeo does get what’s ‘better’.
ReplyDeleteIn Act 2 lines 75-87, Juliet is uncertain about her marriage with Romeo. After finding out Romeo killed her cousin Tybalt, Juliet is in shock and definitely is upset about Romeo’s actions. Juliet even refers to Romeo as a criminal, showing that Juliet is skeptical of his morals.
ReplyDeleteIn act 2 scene 5 at the end” Shame on you! What, are you crazy?” When lady capsules said that I didn’t understand who she was talking about. Capulet or Juliet.
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