Friday, February 28, 2020

Act III, scene i

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HW: read III.i and post at least one of the following on the blog: a question; an observation; a connection; a response to a peer's post.

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  1. Romeo says, "O, I am Fortune's fool!" (III.i.142)

    This ends up being true, because although Tybalt is the one to kill Mercutio, Romeo gets blamed and is exiled. He avenged the Prince's cousin by killing Tybalt, yet the Prince was the one to exile him. There's a lot of irony in this scene overall.

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  2. lll.iii.40-41 "and but one word with one of us? Couple it with something. Make it a word and a blow"
    Why does mercutio seem to want a fight here?

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  3. I think Romeo's reply to Tybalt calling him a vilian is interesting. Often times we may feel misunderstood, and it's possible that Romeo feels this way too. He responds by telliing Tybalt, "I see thou knowest me not" (lll.iii.66) which reminds me of the phrase "you don't even know me" in our modern day. The fact that Romeo, a dramatic and obsessive natured character can feel this way shows how complex characters and people are.

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  4. During Benvolio and Tybalt’s conversation, I was wondering why Benvolio and Tybalt were not using harsher words, or not physically fighting, as Benvolio is a Montague, and Tybalt is a Capulet. Both families are feuding, so I was confused to why their confrontation wasn’t more violent. Tybalt is also very arrogant, so his being not very aggressive perplexed me.

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  5. Although Mercutio was not a Montague or a Capulet, he still was caught in the middle and slain. In his dying moments Mercutio calls for a plague upon both their houses (III i 100-113). I think this plague will come in the form of Juliet and Romeo dying in the end.

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  6. It was interesting to see everyone take Tybalt’s side. Also, how they all wanted Romeo to not live any longer.

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    1. I don't think everyone took Tybalt's side. The prince acknowledged that both Tybalt and Romeo did wrong, and basically decided that two wrongs did not make a right. In my opinion, that shows that the prince values justice, but not when it comes to murder for revenge. (In his view, murder is never excusable.) So when it comes to the question of "is revenge satisfying", I think the prince would probably say no, if it comes to violence and disrupting the peace of others, even if he does seem to value justice.

      -Anya C.

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  7. It is cool to see the Prince's perspective on things when he says, "...Bear hence this body and attend our will. Mercy but murders, pardoning those that kill"(III.1.196-205). We see how the Prince answers to please both families, clearly trying to resolve the conflict. He tries to support both sides, giving us a first look on how the Prince thinks and leads the town.

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    1. I think that it is interesting that Shakespeare uses the Prince to show the family rivalry. He becomes the mediator, and is in the middle of two families, not dissimilar to Romeo and Juliet. However, Romeo and Juliet are trying to break from their respective families and the Prince is just trying to maintain order. This can contrast the maturity of all three characters.

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  8. There is a lot of wordplay on III.i. 16-30, when Mercutio tries to justify his temper and love of conflict to Benvolio. I think his eagerness to fight, which ultimately lead to his unnecessary death, is exhibited here. Benvolio calls Mercutio "brave" on III.i. 121, but it seems that Mercutio's "bravery" is more of a vice than a virtue. His version of courage is closer to brashness and anger. III.i. 111-113, as Mercutio dies, he uses a metaphor to compare the hatred between the Montagues and the Capulets to a plague. (The metaphor is also mentioned on III.i. 94 and III.i. 103-104.) He makes himself out to be a victim of the "plague", and I think this can be considered foreshadowing for the tragic ending of the play.

    -Anya C.

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  9. I think that with the death of Mercutio who is his more of the silly friend, he will probably become less happy, which might affect his decisions in the future. Mercutio’s boldness is his end, and from III.i.170-184 it seems like at that time Romeo was a foil to him trying to separate Tybalt and Mercutio until Mercutio got killed.

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  10. And so, good capulet, which name I tender as dearly as mine own, be satisfied. This quote shows how much their family names define them, the old feud between the families has made its way down many generations and fuels the anger they have towards one another. This anger is enough for Tybalt to kill Mercutio all to withhold his reputation and defend his family title. This made me think about the importance of last names now, they are no where near the level of extreme that they were back then but I’ve always wondered why we inherit our fathers last name as opposed to out mothers.

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    1. I also found this line interesting because of its significance about last names. I found it interesting how Romeo was trying to respect Tybalt, even though he was a Capulet. Now that Romeo is married to Juliet who is a Capulet, he is willing to put aside an ancient feud and his hate towards the Capulets because of his love for Juliet. This stood out to me because it shows the beginning of trying to end this feud between the Montagues and the Capulets.

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  11. I was confused when Mercutio said that it was Romeo’s fault for him being fatally injured when Romeo tried to break up the fight. Did Romeo really cause Mercutio’s death or is Mercutio bitter because he lost and is dying?

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    1. I think Mercutio was saying that it was the feud between the Montagues and Capulets that caused his death. I think so because it was only Romeo's fault for being a Montague that Tybalt tried to start a fight with him, and Mercutio kind of took Romeo's place in the fight, which would lead to his death.

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  12. I think that it is kind of funny how in III.i.17-23 Mercurio told Benvolio that he fights too much, and then Mercutio ends up dying when he was fighting with Tybalt. I think that Shakespeare uses irony here to teach readers to not be condescending, because in the end no one is perfect.

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    1. I agree, I also think that Shakespeare is trying to teach us no one is perfect even earlier in the story there was a whole paragraph talking about how no human is perfect. Vice and virtue

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  13. I noticed in III.i.185-207 the characters are back to speaking in couplets. I think this is interesting because during the more informal parts with younger characters, the characters tend to speak in shorter sentences, but now the parents (Lady Capulet and Lord Montague) are back to a more formal way of speaking. I think even though there has been a recent duel between families it illustrates what has been previously mentioned, that the families are actually very much alike.

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  14. “O Romeo, Romeo, brave Mercutio's dead!
    That gallant spirit hath aspired the clouds,
    Which too untimely here did scorn the earth”

    This line shows an excellent turning point between Romeo and Juliet being a comedy versus a tragedy. It demonstrates a more harsh plot point, and one that makes the play feel much more serious rather than comedic.

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    1. I agree that this is a turning point from comedy to tragedy. Not only is Mercutio's death sad because of the Romeo's friend's loss of life, but also because in that life earlier in the play Mercutio served as comedic relief. Also, I think that Mercutio's teasing of Romeo's strong romantic feelings represented uncertainty in Romeo's love life, but now that he's married to Juliet that uncertainty is gone, thus Mercutio dies, and Romeo and Juliet's tragic fate is sealed. The connection between Mercutio's death and the Montague/Capulet feud mirrors the eventual deaths of Romeo and Juliet's connection with the feud, though Mercutio's death exasperates it and the couple's death ends it.

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  15. I wonder why did Romeo say he did not want to fight and bring death but after his friends death forget all the love he had in his heart for Juliet and fight to kill.

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  16. "Mercy but murders, pardoning those that kill" I feel like the prince is using Romeo to set an example and to help stop the fighting of the capulets and montagues. He is basically putting his foot down and as a result Romeo is now in danger wherever he goes (making his relationship with juliet far more dangerous).

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  17. “No, ‘tis not so deep as a well, nor so wide as a church door, but ‘tis enough. ‘Twill serve. Ask for me tomorrow and you shall find me a grave man.” A play on words here, grave meaning serious and grave as in a grave one will be buried in. Mercutio remains in character and is comic to the end- maybe his death indicates the death of the comedy portion of this play?

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  18. This scene brought up the question from the beginning of the unit about satisfying revenge. In the heat of the moment, I’m sure Romeo’s revenge for Mercurio was satisfying, but I’m curious to see if Romeo is still satisfied in the next seen, or if he will regret he had done.

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  19. Something I found interesting and connection was how we talked about in class on how we shouldn’t allow are emotions to dictate our actions but to rather influence them. Yet, at the end of the day logic and reason always has to stand firm in the center. While reading Act 3 scene 1 on lines 84- 94. Originally Romeo has spoken on how he refused to fight Tybalt because of his secret love but now at this point there’s a shift romeos and charcuterie. You can tell Romeo is focused on the death of his companion and ends up fighting killing Tybalt. Yet, he knows not that this would cost him seeing and visiting Juliet. So was it worth it in the end? If Romeo had thought through his decision and accounted for all the risks, especially knowing what the prince had last said about disturbing the streets of Verona. Maybe, Romeo would not have made the same descion. Once again are emotions drive us to think and act short term as Romeo did but the real question is how is going to affect us in the Long run? Will Romeo later regret everything because of his passion for Juliet? Will have to wait and see

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  20. “Thou art like one of those fellows that, when he enters the confines of a tavern, claps me his sword upon the table and says “God send me no need of thee!” and, by the operation of the second cup, draws it on the drawer when indeed there is no need” (lll.i.5-10). This I find interesting for me at least because it connects back to the first scene where Benvolio arrives before a fight breaks out, drawing his sword just in case and trying to stop a fight although he does not want to use his sword. This action of course goes back to the origin of his name, which means benevolent. But here Mercutio is saying that when his inhibitions are lower, he will just draw the sword despite what his name represents. This may be because he’s not as benevolent as his name suggests or it could be that he’s human and he’s drunk but then again, “a drunken man's words are a sober man's thoughts” or in this case, actions.

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  21. “Immediately we do exile him hence” (III. i. 197) I think this connects back to revenge being satisfying. Sure Romeo avenged Mercutio’s death by killing Tybalt, but he ultimately suffered a greater consequence by being exiled from Verona. This made me think whether it is worth getting revenge if you’re going to suffer either way.

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  22. Tybalt killed Mercutio and Romeo got revenge by killing Tybalt. The Capulet were all saying that Romeo should die because he killed Tybalt, but the montagues of coarse took Romeo’s side. “Not Romeo, Prince; he was Mercutio’s friend. His fault concludes but what the law should end, The life of Tybalt”(III.i.193-195). So because Romeo was only avenging Mercutio’s life the Prince only exiled him instead of killing him.

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  23. Was being called a musician / consort an insult in Shakespeare’s era or is Benvolio insulted by it because he’s insulted by everything Tybalt says? (III.i.47-49)

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  24. I think that this scene shows Shakespeare’s view on the big idea of revenge is satisfying. Shakespeare decides to have Tybalt exact his revenge on Mercutio and he pays the price which is his life. Tybalt revenge causes a domino effect where Romeo gets his revenge on Tybalt and he his exiled. In the end, the two people who exact their revenge end up with punishments. I think that this shows Shakespeare’s view because the people end up in bad positions.

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  25. This scene really highlights some key differences between Mercutio, Romeo, and Benvolio. As we earlier established in the play, Mercutio serves as a hotheaded, impulsive character, a foil to the even tempered and logical Benvolio. Romeo seems to fall somewhere in between the two. This scene makes this very clear, with Mercutio immediately jumping to fight, Benvolio trying to reason with him, and Romeo only starting to fight after Mercutio was slain. Romeo was not logical enough to keep himself from fighting at all, only for the first half of the scene did he manage to keep his composure, which resulted in his exile. Mercutio wasn’t able to restrain himself whatsoever, resulting in his death. Benvolio on the other hand didn’t fight at all, and stayed behind to give a reasonably honest account of the happenings to the prince, and he ended up fine in the end.

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  26. The idea of revenge being satisfying is the idea that is conveyed in this part of the story. Tybalt executes his revenge on Mercuito. Shakespeare wanted people to see that exact idea, and send a message to the audience.

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  27. “And fire-eyed fury be my conduct now. Now, Tybalt, take the villain back again
    that late thou gavest me, for Mercutio’s soul (|||.i. 86-88). Romeo accepts that he’s a villain after being the cause of Mercutio’s death. I believe this foreshadows the conflicts that will happen in the future since Romeo is now guided by his own fury and has lost his perception of reality.

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  28. Act 1, Scene 1, Lines 40-43:
    “But love thee better than thou canst devise, Till thou shalt know the reason of my love. And so, good Capulet—which name I tender As dearly as my own”
    In this line, Romeo is expressing to Tybalt before their intended duel that Romeo still holds love for Tybalt even though Tybalt wants to fight him to the death. Also, when Romeo says he views the name Capulet as his own, it’s like he is saying he is a Capulet because he and Juliet have married, and maybe because of that, he wants to break the feud between the families, so that could be why he says he loves the name Capulet, because he wants the families to finally feel connection and peace for once in their lifetimes.

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  29. I think Mercutios death is a very important part of the book because it greatly changes the mood from cheerful and focused on new found love to be dark and even for shadows the tragedy of the book

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  30. Even though Romeo no longer sees himself as an enemy to the Capulets because of Juliet, he is labeled as one automatically simply because of his name. In line 117-118, he says that Tybalt “that an hour hath been my cousin,” suggesting how he seeks no conflict and realizes that just because they have different names doesn’t mean they should be enemies.

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  31. I think this scene showed Shakespeares views on the idea of revenge is satisfying. Tybalt tries to gain revenge by killing Mercutio but in return gets killed himself. This revenge not only effected them two, but has also but Romeo in a bad place. I think this example obviously shows revenge is not satisfying and can leads to multiple bad events.

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  32. I think you can clearly see the transition from a love story to a tragedy during the fight that broke out between Tybalt and Mercutio. It changes the mood to dark and dreary when Mercutio dies. Also we can see how emotions can influence your decisions greatly and how they can overcome your logic and what you should do which can lead to very bad things as we see here.

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  33. Why in lines 88-91 do Mercutio and Tybalt not listen to Romeo? If they had listened and not been so overly-defensive about their pride, they would both be alive. This scene reminds me about thinking with the mind vs. thinking with your heart, and I think Romeo here displays how he can think with both and not be impulsive like Tybalt and Mercutio.

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  34. I wonder how Juliet will react to the events of III.i, as it is clear that she will be saddened about Tybalt's death but likely more so about Romeo being the killer, and even more so due to Romeo's exile. But will she try to go with him into exile, they are almost certainly deep enough in love that she will still be in love with him after Tybalt's death but will she try and get him to stay in hiding, or will they try to run away together?

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  35. In this scene, Mercutio continues to use fencing terms when talking about Tybalt. For example, he uses many earlier in II.iv.20-23, and in this scene says, "Allo stoccato carries it away" (III.i.75).

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  36. In this scene, at the very beginning Benvolio says “The day is hot; the Capulets, abroad;And if we meet we shall not ’scape a brawl,For now, these hot days, is the mad blood stirring.” III.i.2-4. This is an example of pathetic fallacy. He is correlating the moods of the people out to the weather at the time and how they are both hot, or hot headed and that they are going to fight. This helps set the mood for the fight to come. By using this it almost seems like the fight was just a coincidence but there had already been issues between them. Was the fight just a coincidence? Or would it have happened anyway if they had met at another time?

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  37. Mood changes throughout the scene. Starts off with mercucio joking, then jokingly sparing with tybalt. Then, when mercucio is stabbed, it goes from joking to anger and sadness

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  38. I found it interesting how Mercutio goes so quickly from pretending he isn't hurt badly to scolding people for not helping people. It shows how Mercutio's personality disappeared whrn he started to panic

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  39. In this scene Romeo’s actions were similar to how Mercutio acted- both acted in the moment and through passion not thought. Both their actions had severe consequences

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  40. When Mercutio is dying, he still seems to act himself until the very end. It really brings out his personality of not being much of a serious person by making the pun, "Ask for me tomorrow, and you shall find me a grave man (3.i.101-102).

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  41. Did Mercutio know how badly he was injured. Because if he did I wonder what lead him to joke around so long. I feel like if I was In that position i would make it very clear that I was hurt and needed help. I also wonder how things might have changed if he had been more serious and gotten the help he needed.

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  42. It seems Mercutio has kept his humor until the end, which I find surprising- in many books and television shows, dying characters either scream or vow vengeance in some way. On the other hand, Mercutio jokes about his injury, only becoming threatening in his last lines.

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  43. In the beginning of this scene, it is obvious Romeo does not want to fight Tybalt. But after Romeo’s close friend Mercutio is killed, Romeo acts upon his instincts and feelings, not with reason and ends up killing Tybalt.

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