Read I.iii and choose three lines you find interesting, confusing, enjoyable, etc. Explain what you think is going on in each selection and why you chose it. Post ONE of your lines and explanations on this blog.
Lady Capulet is talking to Juliet about Paris’ proposal and by the ways she’s talking about the proposal I think Lady Capulet really wants Paris to be Juliet’s future husband.
Nurse: A man, young lady! Lady, such a man As all the world. Why, he’s a man of wax.
Lady Capulet: Verona’s summer hath not such a flower.
Nurse: Nay, he’s a flower. In faith, a very flower.
Iiii 81-84
I wonder if Paris’ interactions with Juliet at the party will involve him acting very cocky and full of himself. Not egotistic, but more thinking that getting Juliet will be easy. Many descriptions of him include his attractive features as a focal point, which can lead to believe he is a character used to getting what he wants.
Yeah, it’s really crazy how much a woman’s life at the time revolved around marriage. Having children was literally their only purpose, and an unmarried woman was seen as shameful and useless. We’ve really come a long way from that, but somehow there are still people in 2020 who share this Elizabethan mindset, which is truly sad and appalling.
I noticed this as well. We see Lady Capulet saying "By having him, making yourself no less" (I.iii.100) which I think shows that she recognizes that Juliet isn't very interested in the idea of marriage, and is trying to appease her and make her more comfortable with the idea. She's saying that having a husband will make Juliet "no less" dignified, important or significant than she is right now. On the other hand, the nurse, who seems to be closer to Juliet, is blunt and honest about her thoughts (which Lady Capulet might agree with, but wouldn't say to Juliet's face). She shows the general public's opinion on a woman's place in society, which is as you said, below that of a man.
The valiant Paris seeks you for his love I’ll look to like if looking liking move but no more deep will I endart mine eye then your mine eye then your consent give strength to make it fly Juliet lady capulet and the nurse are discussing how Paris is interested in Juliet an how he will be at the party tonight. Lady capulet and the nurse are trying to convince Juliet that she should marry him, this reminds me of the theme about the adults in your life making decisions for you and not giving them a choice. I feel like something as important as marriage should be up to the person it involves but maybe back then it was more of the guardians decision.
I had to laugh at the ‘fall backwards’ joke. I can see how the audience could be attracted- Shakespeare’s sense of humor might have been very appealing.
I.iii.8-9 When the lady capulet says “nurse, give leave awhile. We must talk in secret.—- Nurse come back again” I was so confused because why ask her to leave and before she can move say come back? My best conclusion is that maybe because the Nurse and Juliet have a closer relationship then Juliet and her mother so maybe she just assumed that Juliet would tell the nurse anyway.
I.iii. All of juliet’s lines in this scene (5, 64, 71, 103-105) are very short, simplistic, and submissive. I wonder how much of that has to do with the role of women at the time, and how much has to do with juliet’s age and respective naïveté. I would also assumed, given how protective Capulet seemed, that he has probably coddled her and /or kept her away from the world, either to keep her safe or preserve her innocence, or both. I wonder how she will change and mature as the book goes on, because she does ultimately divert from her obedient personality by choosing Romeo over her parents, and then death over a life without him. I’m curious to see how her character will be developed over the course of this play, and am interested in seeing more of her personality.
I.iii. 7 "Madam, I am here. What is your will?" I.iii. 103-105 "I'll look to like, if looking liking move./ But no more deep will I endart mine eye/ than your consent gives strength to make it fly." Towards the beginning of the scene, Juliet answers to her mother in an obedient, submissive manner. However, towards the end of the scene, she becomes more defiant (when talking of her disinterest in getting married).I think that this foreshadows that Juliet will grow to be more strong-willed by the end of the play (with the help/love of Romeo), just as she does in this scene. For now however, she is still rather submissive, as illustrated by her having only eight lines in this scene (even though she is one of the main characters in the play).
Lines 64-67 The nurse says “Peace. I have done. God mark thee to his grace, Thou wast the prettiest babe that e’er I nursed. An I might live to see thee married once, I have my wish. Marriage seems to be a theme of the book Romeo and Juliet. Marriage seems like the ultimate goal people have in life and to not get married gets looked down on. Also, there seems to be many arranged marriages.
I agree with that! This connects to what we saw in Great Expecations as well, with Mrs. Joe not being happy with Joe (though I’m not sure if that was arranged). The Pockets seem to have that want as well for Herbert.
I find Lady Capulet’s monologue from I.iii.85-100 interesting, where she compared Paris to a well bound book, since it seems as if she’s trying to convince Juliet to get married, going far enough to say that she wouldn’t degrade herself by marrying him. It’s also interesting that she would think of him as a book considering that we don’t know what’s inside the book.
In line 71, Juliet says that marriage “is an honor that I dream not of.” Juliet’s parental figures are pressuring her to look for a marriage when she isn’t particularly interested. She shouldn’t look for a marriage simply because people tell her to, and those types of marriages often don’t work out.
I noticed that throughout scene ii, Lady Capulet and the nurse did almost all of the talking. This made me think about how much control young people had over their lives back then, because it seems like they had most/a lot of their decisions made for them.
act 1 scene 2 72 It is an honor that i not dream of. this statement by Juliet shows that she has a voice but she is not allowed to use it. she only has 8 lines in the 100's . She does not want to marry the person that she has not meet.
73-74 I don’t know if we brought this up in class but why does Shakespeare keep relating everything back to breasts. I don’t know if this literary humor/ entertainment or something else related to the story line.
It is clear that Juliet does not want to get married as of now and that it is something she is not even thinking of, saying, "It is an honor that I dream not of"(I.iii.72). Lady Capulet seems like she is trying to make her get married and feed the idea that she should do it now to fit in with others saying, "Well, think of marriage now. Younger than you Here in Verona, ladies of esteem, Are made already mothers"(I.iii.75-77).
During Lady Capulet's monologue describing Paris and asking Juliet if she could consider marrying him, I noticed a rhyme scheme around lines 89-100. An examples of lines that rhymed are 93-94; "This precious book of love, this unbound lover, To beautify him only lacks a cover". I think that this literary device was used to show how Juliet and Paris could become unified and work as one if they get married.
The nurse says in her monologue from I.iii. 18-53 that she was the one who breast fed Juliet. Is there any importance behind why Lady Capulet couldn’t do this herself? It seems weird that Lady Capulet would have had someone do it for her. Maybe it was common back then?
From the text, we can start to see why these monologues from the characters play a big role in their characteristics and Shakespeare does a good job in including details in the monologues. For example, in Lady Capulet’s monologue on lines 85-100, she tries to give her understanding about love to the Nurse, and we are able to see how Lady Capulet holds love and marriage to a high priority in her life.
L.iii.75-80 It seems like Lady Capulet is pressuring Juliet into getting married, and she wants it to happen soon, and with Paris. Then, L.iii.85 Lady Capulet seems to be asking for Juliet’s opinion, though it seems clear to us Juliet isn’t currently interested. If she truly wants her opinion, this seems strange. Otherwise, is she just asking because this is what she wants?
In this scene I noticiced Juliet has very few lines. It was mostly just the Nurse and Lady Capulet going back and forth with each other. I think this was used to show how little power Juliet really had, especially in situations like this.
I agree, I feel like this whole chapter foreshadows the conflict between families of Romeo and Juliet, and Romeo and Juliet by showing how little power Juliet has over her future. The power dynamic between Juliet and Lady Capulet makes Juliet's future relationship harder.
"It is an honor that I dream not of"(1.iii.line 71). Juliet directly states her wish to marry freely, but we can infer much more from this statement. She really wants freedom in all aspects, not to be controlled under the label of a "Capulet".
I.iii.70-105. While this is a lot of text, I inferred that throughout this conversation Lady Capulet is trying to convince Juliet to marry Paris, while Juliet doesn’t want to marry yet.
Act 1 scene 3 8-9 Nurse, give leave awhile. We must talk in secret.—- Nurse come back again” I am so confused because why she ask her to leave and before she started leaving say come back? Im thinking that maybe Juliet and the nurse have a closer relationship then Juliet and her mother
I.iii 87-97 Shakespeare uses figurative language here to compare Paris’s face to a book, a story written by “beauty’s pen”, and it reminded me of one of Shakespeare’s sonnets where he also uses figurative language to describe the face of someone, but he compares it to a battlefield where beauty is fighting against time.
Line 80: Lady Capulet is treating her daughter like property. She is essentially saying that she isn’t fulfilling her duty to get married and have children. She is also saying that Paris is a good option, and despite Juliet’s original wish to not get married (yet), Lady Capulet is saying that she should give Paris what he wants, and marry him because of his own conquest.
Line 101: Again, the sexism against Juliet is shown. The nurse is saying that by marrying a man, Juliet will grow and become better.
Act 1, scene 3, line 9 on page 35. “We must talk in secret. -Nurse, come back again. I’m confused on this line because I’m not sure what they want to talk I’m secret about. Maybe Juliet gets along better with the nurse than the mother, since the mother is not around.
“Women grow by men.” (I.iii.101) This quote shows how women were viewed and treated during this age. They had to rely on men to move up in society, and in turn, act like the men’s property.
I disagree with the first part of your part of your claim - “they had to rely on men to move up in society,” they really didn’t have a place in society. “I was your mother much upon these years,” (I.iii.74) this shows women’s only job in society was to procreate
Between lines 8-11, “This is the matter.—Nurse, give leave awhile, We must talk in secret.—Nurse, come back again.I have remembered me. Thou’s hear our counsel. Thou know’st my daughter’s of a pretty age.” I am slightly confused, Lady Capulet contradicts herself when taking to the Nurse and giving her directions. Would this be an example of an oxymoron?
“A man, young lady-lady, such a man As all the world-why,he’s a man of wax” (I.iii. 80-82) I think this line is talking about how Paris is perfect, like how a wax figure looks perfect, but I think it is also trying to show that how was looks perfect but also isn’t perfect at the same time.
“Women grow by men” (L.iii 102). I’m aware this was a fairly misogynistic time back then but they are heavily persuading Juliet to marry Paris to raise herself up in society instead of doing it herself. She doesn’t even want to marry him but if that’s what they believe, she’s going to be very, very heavily persuaded.
Yeah, but it really does show what a woman’s expected role was back in those times. It’s weird to us now, but back then, it would generally be the parents who chose who their daughter would marry. It can even happen today sometimes, but not as common, of course. I feel like Juliet’s parents are caring individuals, because usually the parents wouldn’t even give their daughter a choice.
The lines l.iii.102-105 shows that Juliet will try to like Paris because she is peer pressured to. But she still cares if she actually does. Is this related to the statement at the beginning of the unit about growing requires challenging authority?
“A Man young lady - lady, such a man as all the world - why he’s a man of wax. (L.iii 81-82) In this quote the nurse speaks about how Paris is a perfect figure and tries to tell Juliet about how this could be her future. Showing how during this time period there was a set path that was to be followed for girls like Juliet.
I.iii.64-67 The nurse says, “Peace. I have done. God mark thee to his grace, Thou wast the prettiest babe that e’er I nursed. An I might live to see thee married once, I have my wish”. This quote reminds me of Miss Havisham in Great Expectations. Miss Havisham raised Estella and she thinks that Estella is beautiful. She wanted Estella to break the hearts of men but then get married and the nurse here wants Juliet to get married.
“Madam, I am here. What is your will?”(I.iii.7). This is one of the few lines that Juliet gets in this whole scene. She is summoned by her mother. Lady Capulet and the nurse are talking about Juliet’s life and her marriage and Juliet has no power or say in this.
Lady Couplet says "Marry, that marry is the very theme I came to talk of. Tell me, daughter Juliet, How stands your disposition to be married?" Juliet says "It is an honor that I dream not of."(1 iii 68-71) This is showing Juliets view on marriage right now in her life, she believes its an honor that she doesn't want.
I.iii. 80-82- “A man, young lady-lady, such a man As all the world-why,he’s a man of wax” I think comparing Paris to a wax figure shows how he is presented as a perfectly molded person with no flaws. His perfection is only a mask. Due to him being wax shows how he is fake and he could easily melt to show what he is truly mad of. He isn't as grand as he seams.
“I’ll look to like, if looking liking move. But no more deep will I endart mine eye Than your consent gives strength to make it fly.” (i. iii. 103-105, Juliet) I have a question about this quote, I am not sure if I am correct in that it is supposed to mean that Juliet will try to look at the men and find a liking to one of them (Paris possibly), but she won’t put extra effort into finding a man if her mother doesn’t continue her pushing or influence/consent in/on the situaiton? So she’s saying without her parents full consent, Juliet can not be fully dedicated to actively looking for and finding a valid suitor. This shows that she heavily values her parents’ opinions.
Clearly, Juliet's nurse is very close to Juliet, probably even more so than Juliet's own mother, Lady Capulet. In fact, the Nurse says, "I can tell her age unto an hour." This is evidence of how well she knows Juliet, and how long she has taken care of Juliet. Because of the Nurse's close relationship with Juliet, all she wants is for Juliet to be married and be happy: "God mark thee to his grace...An I might live to see thee married once, I have my wish."
“Well, think of marriage now. Younger than you 76 Here in Verona, ladies of esteem, 77 Are made already mothers,” (I.iii.75-77). Interestingly, Paris said the same thing to Capulet. I think that Shakespeare wanted to show the mirror between Paris and Lady Capulet as they both are urging Juliet into an arranged marriage. Lady Capulet seems to want her daughter to act in the traditional feminine role of a maternal housewife, evidenced by the way that she compares her daughter to other women.
Juliet says“But no more deep will I endart mine eye Than your consent gives strength to make it fly“ when lady capulet tells her about Paris coming to their party. Which I thought was surprising, because she is basically saying that she would not only love him because her mom told her to. She seemed to believe that she would not like him, and that their relationship would not work out. This defiance of her mom slightly surprised me, in a era where arranged marriages were the standard and there was a string emphasis on filial piety.
"This is the matter. - Nurse, give leave awhile. We must talk in secret. - Nurse, come back again" (I.iii.8-9). I found this line from Lady Capulet confusing. Why does she send the Nurse away, then immediately call her back again? Is this showing that Lady Capulet doesn't want to be alone with Juliet, or is it showing something else about their relationship?
The lines that I noticed the most in this chapter were I.iii 81-84 "Nurse: A man, young lady-lady, such a man As all the world-why, he's a man of wax. Lady Capulet: Verona's summer hath not such a flower. Nurse: Nay, he's a flower, in faith, a very flower." I notice in these lines a clear focus and idea of Paris looking pretty, but him as a person seems more in question. First off the idea of him being "made of wax" gives this idea of looking good but also not really having much actual substance as a person, yet after Lady Capulet refers to him as a flower the nurse then calls him a flower in faith, which would also give him a positive trait as a person, and I cannot tell if I am simply misinterpreting the Nurse's initial line or if the Nurse is instead changing her opinion based on the comments of Lady Capulet, which would be a logical thing to have happen, as she is her servant after all.
I was confused to what avail does the argument between the nurse and Lady Capulet come to. I think that most of the characters in this play can be very argumentative.
"She's not fourteen. I'll lay fourteen of my teeth (and yet, to my teen be it spoken, I have but four) she's not fourteen" (1.ii.10-150). I chose this because I become confused by many of the dialogues in this book, and I thought this was a good example.
In lines 75-84 Juliet, Lady Capulet, and the nurse are discussing Juliet getting married . Juliet is not very fond of the idea however the nurse and Lady Capulet keep discussing it. I find it very interesting how in past times marriage was not really in the brides hands. It lead my to wonder was it considered vey weird if someone got to chose their marriage?
I noticed blank verse in I.iii.85-100
ReplyDeleteLady Capulet is talking to Juliet about Paris’ proposal and by the ways she’s talking about the proposal I think Lady Capulet really wants Paris to be Juliet’s future husband.
Nurse: A man, young lady! Lady, such a man
ReplyDeleteAs all the world. Why, he’s a man of wax.
Lady Capulet: Verona’s summer hath not such a flower.
Nurse: Nay, he’s a flower. In faith, a very flower.
Iiii 81-84
I wonder if Paris’ interactions with Juliet at the party will involve him acting very cocky and full of himself. Not egotistic, but more thinking that getting Juliet will be easy. Many descriptions of him include his attractive features as a focal point, which can lead to believe he is a character used to getting what he wants.
I.iii.101
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"No less? Nay, bigger. Women grow by men."
This line struck me since it's shows gender inequality.
Yeah, it’s really crazy how much a woman’s life at the time revolved around marriage. Having children was literally their only purpose, and an unmarried woman was seen as shameful and useless. We’ve really come a long way from that, but somehow there are still people in 2020 who share this Elizabethan mindset, which is truly sad and appalling.
DeleteI noticed this as well. We see Lady Capulet saying "By having him, making yourself no less" (I.iii.100) which I think shows that she recognizes that Juliet isn't very interested in the idea of marriage, and is trying to appease her and make her more comfortable with the idea. She's saying that having a husband will make Juliet "no less" dignified, important or significant than she is right now. On the other hand, the nurse, who seems to be closer to Juliet, is blunt and honest about her thoughts (which Lady Capulet might agree with, but wouldn't say to Juliet's face). She shows the general public's opinion on a woman's place in society, which is as you said, below that of a man.
Delete1) I. III. 81-82
ReplyDeleteA man, young lady—lady, such a man
As all the world—why, he’s a man of wax
Nurse wants Juliet to marry him
2) I. III. 85-100
Monologue by Lady Capulet
3) I. III. 184
But no more deep will I endart my eye
What does this mean?
The valiant Paris seeks you for his love
ReplyDeleteI’ll look to like if looking liking move but no more deep will I endart mine eye then your mine eye then your consent give strength to make it fly
Juliet lady capulet and the nurse are discussing how Paris is interested in Juliet an how he will be at the party tonight. Lady capulet and the nurse are trying to convince Juliet that she should marry him, this reminds me of the theme about the adults in your life making decisions for you and not giving them a choice. I feel like something as important as marriage should be up to the person it involves but maybe back then it was more of the guardians decision.
What is the nurses desire for Juliet to get married?
ReplyDeleteIt is strange how Juliet treats her mother so formally. She seems to have a close relationship with her nurse.
ReplyDeleteI had to laugh at the ‘fall backwards’ joke. I can see how the audience could be attracted- Shakespeare’s sense of humor might have been very appealing.
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ReplyDeleteWhen the lady capulet says “nurse, give leave awhile. We must talk in secret.—- Nurse come back again” I was so confused because why ask her to leave and before she can move say come back? My best conclusion is that maybe because the Nurse and Juliet have a closer relationship then Juliet and her mother so maybe she just assumed that Juliet would tell the nurse anyway.
I.iii. All of juliet’s lines in this scene (5, 64, 71, 103-105) are very short, simplistic, and submissive. I wonder how much of that has to do with the role of women at the time, and how much has to do with juliet’s age and respective naïveté. I would also assumed, given how protective Capulet seemed, that he has probably coddled her and /or kept her away from the world, either to keep her safe or preserve her innocence, or both. I wonder how she will change and mature as the book goes on, because she does ultimately divert from her obedient personality by choosing Romeo over her parents, and then death over a life without him. I’m curious to see how her character will be developed over the course of this play, and am interested in seeing more of her personality.
ReplyDeleteI.iii. 7 "Madam, I am here. What is your will?"
ReplyDeleteI.iii. 103-105 "I'll look to like, if looking liking move./ But no more deep will I endart mine eye/ than your consent gives strength to make it fly."
Towards the beginning of the scene, Juliet answers to her mother in an obedient, submissive manner. However, towards the end of the scene, she becomes more defiant (when talking of her disinterest in getting married).I think that this foreshadows that Juliet will grow to be more strong-willed by the end of the play (with the help/love of Romeo), just as she does in this scene. For now however, she is still rather submissive, as illustrated by her having only eight lines in this scene (even though she is one of the main characters in the play).
Lines 64-67 The nurse says “Peace. I have done. God mark thee to his grace, Thou wast the prettiest babe that e’er I nursed. An I might live to see thee married once, I have my wish. Marriage seems to be a theme of the book Romeo and Juliet. Marriage seems like the ultimate goal people have in life and to not get married gets looked down on. Also, there seems to be many arranged marriages.
ReplyDeleteI agree with that! This connects to what we saw in Great Expecations as well, with Mrs. Joe not being happy with Joe (though I’m not sure if that was arranged). The Pockets seem to have that want as well for Herbert.
DeleteI find Lady Capulet’s monologue from I.iii.85-100 interesting, where she compared Paris to a well bound book, since it seems as if she’s trying to convince Juliet to get married, going far enough to say that she wouldn’t degrade herself by marrying him. It’s also interesting that she would think of him as a book considering that we don’t know what’s inside the book.
ReplyDeleteI mean the nature of the content, and that Capulet sees Paris as Juliet's equal.
DeleteIn line 71, Juliet says that marriage “is an honor that I dream not of.”
ReplyDeleteJuliet’s parental figures are pressuring her to look for a marriage when she isn’t particularly interested. She shouldn’t look for a marriage simply because people tell her to, and those types of marriages often don’t work out.
I noticed that throughout scene ii, Lady Capulet and the nurse did almost all of the talking. This made me think about how much control young people had over their lives back then, because it seems like they had most/a lot of their decisions made for them.
ReplyDeleteact 1 scene 2 72 It is an honor that i not dream of.
ReplyDeletethis statement by Juliet shows that she has a voice but she is not allowed to use it. she only has 8 lines in the 100's . She does not want to marry the person that she has not meet.
73-74 I don’t know if we brought this up in class but why does Shakespeare keep relating everything back to breasts. I don’t know if this literary humor/ entertainment or something else related to the story line.
ReplyDeleteIt is clear that Juliet does not want to get married as of now and that it is something she is not even thinking of, saying, "It is an honor that I dream not of"(I.iii.72). Lady Capulet seems like she is trying to make her get married and feed the idea that she should do it now to fit in with others saying, "Well, think of marriage now. Younger than you Here in Verona, ladies of esteem, Are made already mothers"(I.iii.75-77).
ReplyDeleteDuring Lady Capulet's monologue describing Paris and asking Juliet if she could consider marrying him, I noticed a rhyme scheme around lines 89-100. An examples of lines that rhymed are 93-94; "This precious book of love, this unbound lover, To beautify him only lacks a cover". I think that this literary device was used to show how Juliet and Paris could become unified and work as one if they get married.
ReplyDeleteThe nurse says in her monologue from I.iii. 18-53 that she was the one who breast fed Juliet. Is there any importance behind why Lady Capulet couldn’t do this herself? It seems weird that Lady Capulet would have had someone do it for her. Maybe it was common back then?
ReplyDeleteFrom the text, we can start to see why these monologues from the characters play a big role in their characteristics and Shakespeare does a good job in including details in the monologues. For example, in Lady Capulet’s monologue on lines 85-100, she tries to give her understanding about love to the Nurse, and we are able to see how Lady Capulet holds love and marriage to a high priority in her life.
ReplyDeleteL.iii.75-80 It seems like Lady Capulet is pressuring Juliet into getting married, and she wants it to happen soon, and with Paris.
ReplyDeleteThen, L.iii.85 Lady Capulet seems to be asking for Juliet’s opinion, though it seems clear to us Juliet isn’t currently interested. If she truly wants her opinion, this seems strange. Otherwise, is she just asking because this is what she wants?
In this scene I noticiced Juliet has very few lines. It was mostly just the Nurse and Lady Capulet going back and forth with each other. I think this was used to show how little power Juliet really had, especially in situations like this.
ReplyDeleteI agree, I feel like this whole chapter foreshadows the conflict between families of Romeo and Juliet, and Romeo and Juliet by showing how little power Juliet has over her future. The power dynamic between Juliet and Lady Capulet makes Juliet's future relationship harder.
Delete"It is an honor that I dream not of"(1.iii.line 71). Juliet directly states her wish to marry freely, but we can infer much more from this statement. She really wants freedom in all aspects, not to be controlled under the label of a "Capulet".
ReplyDeleteI.iii.70-105. While this is a lot of text, I inferred that throughout this conversation Lady Capulet is trying to convince Juliet to marry Paris, while Juliet doesn’t want to marry yet.
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Nurse, give leave awhile. We must talk in secret.—- Nurse come back again”
I am so confused because why she ask her to leave and before she started leaving say come back? Im thinking that maybe Juliet and the nurse have a closer relationship then Juliet and her mother
I.iii 87-97 Shakespeare uses figurative language here to compare Paris’s face to a book, a story written by “beauty’s pen”, and it reminded me of one of Shakespeare’s sonnets where he also uses figurative language to describe the face of someone, but he compares it to a battlefield where beauty is fighting against time.
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ReplyDeleteLine 80: Lady Capulet is treating her daughter like property. She is essentially saying that she isn’t fulfilling her duty to get married and have children. She is also saying that Paris is a good option, and despite Juliet’s original wish to not get married (yet), Lady Capulet is saying that she should give Paris what he wants, and marry him because of his own conquest.
ReplyDeleteLine 101: Again, the sexism against Juliet is shown. The nurse is saying that by marrying a man, Juliet will grow and become better.
Act 1, scene 3, line 9 on page 35. “We must talk in secret. -Nurse, come back again. I’m confused on this line because I’m not sure what they want to talk I’m secret about. Maybe Juliet gets along better with the nurse than the mother, since the mother is not around.
ReplyDelete“Women grow by men.” (I.iii.101)
ReplyDeleteThis quote shows how women were viewed and treated during this age. They had to rely on men to move up in society, and in turn, act like the men’s property.
I disagree with the first part of your part of your claim - “they had to rely on men to move up in society,” they really didn’t have a place in society. “I was your mother much upon these years,” (I.iii.74) this shows women’s only job in society was to procreate
DeleteBetween lines 8-11, “This is the matter.—Nurse, give leave awhile,
ReplyDeleteWe must talk in secret.—Nurse, come back again.I have remembered me. Thou’s hear our counsel. Thou know’st my daughter’s of a pretty age.”
I am slightly confused, Lady Capulet contradicts herself when taking to the Nurse and giving her directions. Would this be an example of an oxymoron?
“A man, young lady-lady, such a man
ReplyDeleteAs all the world-why,he’s a man of wax” (I.iii. 80-82)
I think this line is talking about how Paris is perfect, like how a wax figure looks perfect, but I think it is also trying to show that how was looks perfect but also isn’t perfect at the same time.
“Women grow by men” (L.iii 102). I’m aware this was a fairly misogynistic time back then but they are heavily persuading Juliet to marry Paris to raise herself up in society instead of doing it herself. She doesn’t even want to marry him but if that’s what they believe, she’s going to be very, very heavily persuaded.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but it really does show what a woman’s expected role was back in those times. It’s weird to us now, but back then, it would generally be the parents who chose who their daughter would marry. It can even happen today sometimes, but not as common, of course. I feel like Juliet’s parents are caring individuals, because usually the parents wouldn’t even give their daughter a choice.
DeleteThe lines l.iii.102-105 shows that Juliet will try to like Paris because she is peer pressured to. But she still cares if she actually does. Is this related to the statement at the beginning of the unit about growing requires challenging authority?
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ReplyDelete“A Man young lady - lady, such a man as all the world - why he’s a man of wax.
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In this quote the nurse speaks about how Paris is a perfect figure and tries to tell Juliet about how this could be her future. Showing how during this time period there was a set path that was to be followed for girls like Juliet.
I.iii.64-67 The nurse says, “Peace. I have done. God mark thee to his grace, Thou wast the prettiest babe that e’er I nursed. An I might live to see thee married once, I have my wish”. This quote reminds me of Miss Havisham in Great Expectations. Miss Havisham raised Estella and she thinks that Estella is beautiful. She wanted Estella to break the hearts of men but then get married and the nurse here wants Juliet to get married.
ReplyDelete“Madam, I am here. What is your will?”(I.iii.7). This is one of the few lines that Juliet gets in this whole scene. She is summoned by her mother. Lady Capulet and the nurse are talking about Juliet’s life and her marriage and Juliet has no power or say in this.
ReplyDeleteLady Couplet says "Marry, that marry is the very theme I came to talk of. Tell me, daughter Juliet, How stands your disposition to be married?" Juliet says "It is an honor that I dream not of."(1 iii 68-71) This is showing Juliets view on marriage right now in her life, she believes its an honor that she doesn't want.
ReplyDeleteJuliet is pressured into liking Paris. The difference is that she still cares if she does. L.iii:102-105
ReplyDeleteI.iii. 80-82- “A man, young lady-lady, such a man
ReplyDeleteAs all the world-why,he’s a man of wax” I think comparing Paris to a wax figure shows how he is presented as a perfectly molded person with no flaws. His perfection is only a mask. Due to him being wax shows how he is fake and he could easily melt to show what he is truly mad of. He isn't as grand as he seams.
“I’ll look to like, if looking liking move. But no more deep will I endart mine eye
ReplyDeleteThan your consent gives strength to make it fly.” (i. iii. 103-105, Juliet) I have a question about this quote, I am not sure if I am correct in that it is supposed to mean that Juliet will try to look at the men and find a liking to one of them (Paris possibly), but she won’t put extra effort into finding a man if her mother doesn’t continue her pushing or influence/consent in/on the situaiton? So she’s saying without her parents full consent, Juliet can not be fully dedicated to actively looking for and finding a valid suitor. This shows that she heavily values her parents’ opinions.
Clearly, Juliet's nurse is very close to Juliet, probably even more so than Juliet's own mother, Lady Capulet. In fact, the Nurse says, "I can tell her age unto an hour." This is evidence of how well she knows Juliet, and how long she has taken care of Juliet. Because of the Nurse's close relationship with Juliet, all she wants is for Juliet to be married and be happy: "God mark thee to his grace...An I might live to see thee married once, I have my wish."
ReplyDeleteAlso, the first quote is from I.iii. line 12. The second quote is from I.iii. lines 64-67.
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Delete“Well, think of marriage now. Younger than you 76 Here in Verona, ladies of esteem, 77 Are made already mothers,” (I.iii.75-77). Interestingly, Paris said the same thing to Capulet. I think that Shakespeare wanted to show the mirror between Paris and Lady Capulet as they both are urging Juliet into an arranged marriage. Lady Capulet seems to want her daughter to act in the traditional feminine role of a maternal housewife, evidenced by the way that she compares her daughter to other women.
ReplyDeleteJuliet says“But no more deep will I endart mine eye
ReplyDeleteThan your consent gives strength to make it fly“ when lady capulet tells her about Paris coming to their party. Which I thought was surprising, because she is basically saying that she would not only love him because her mom told her to. She seemed to believe that she would not like him, and that their relationship would not work out. This defiance of her mom slightly surprised me, in a era where arranged marriages were the standard and there was a string emphasis on filial piety.
"This is the matter. - Nurse, give leave awhile. We must talk in secret. - Nurse, come back again" (I.iii.8-9). I found this line from Lady Capulet confusing. Why does she send the Nurse away, then immediately call her back again? Is this showing that Lady Capulet doesn't want to be alone with Juliet, or is it showing something else about their relationship?
ReplyDeleteThe lines that I noticed the most in this chapter were I.iii 81-84
ReplyDelete"Nurse: A man, young lady-lady, such a man
As all the world-why, he's a man of wax.
Lady Capulet: Verona's summer hath not such a flower.
Nurse: Nay, he's a flower, in faith, a very flower."
I notice in these lines a clear focus and idea of Paris looking pretty, but him as a person seems more in question. First off the idea of him being "made of wax" gives this idea of looking good but also not really having much actual substance as a person, yet after Lady Capulet refers to him as a flower the nurse then calls him a flower in faith, which would also give him a positive trait as a person, and I cannot tell if I am simply misinterpreting the Nurse's initial line or if the Nurse is instead changing her opinion based on the comments of Lady Capulet, which would be a logical thing to have happen, as she is her servant after all.
I was confused to what avail does the argument between the nurse and Lady Capulet come to. I think that most of the characters in this play can be very argumentative.
ReplyDelete"She's not fourteen.
DeleteI'll lay fourteen of my teeth (and yet, to my teen be it spoken, I have but four) she's not fourteen" (1.ii.10-150). I chose this because I become confused by many of the dialogues in this book, and I thought this was a good example.
In lines 75-84 Juliet, Lady Capulet, and the nurse are discussing Juliet getting married . Juliet is not very fond of the idea however the nurse and Lady Capulet keep discussing it. I find it very interesting how in past times marriage was not really in the brides hands. It lead my to wonder was it considered vey weird if someone got to chose their marriage?
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